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ANALYSIS: Impact of Microsoft's TestKing.com Lawsuit Unclear

When Microsoft filed a federal copyright infringement lawsuit against braindump site Testking.com, many hailed the action. But the suit explores uncharted legal waters, with unpredictable results.

Last week when Microsoft filed a federal copyright infringement lawsuit against leading braindump site Testking.com, many hailed it as a shot across the bow against the so-far elusive foreign providers that deal in IT certification exam questions and answers.

However, even if Microsoft wins the legal battle against TestKing.com, the war against braindumps could remain unchanged due to the difficulties of collecting overseas judgments.

The IT braindump industry has been dominated by foreign providers, most prominently TestKing.com, ever since two criminal suits (one successful, one ultimately unsuccesssful) took down the two major U.S.-based braindump providers a few years ago.

While the parent company of TestKing.com, Certification Trendz, is registered in the United Kingdom, it is widely believed that the company itself operates out of Pakistan.

In fact, since at least 2001, TestKing.com and other sites owned by Certification Trendz have been associated with a Shahzad Shahnawaz, based in Faisalabad, Pakistan. A signature on a corporation document from 2005 appear to indicate that Shahnawaz owned the company at least up to last year, and is at a minimum still affiliated with the company, based on a post made earlier this month using a Certification Trendz-related e-mail address.

Still, other names have been associated with the company in the past. CertCities.com attempted to contact the company and Shahnawaz via various e-mail addresses to confirm his identity, ownership and get the company's take on this suit, but did not receive a response by press time.

The uncertainty over who owns TestKing.com as well as opportunities for legal discovery -- however difficult with a Pakistan-based company -- may be why Microsoft filed the suit against “John Does”s instead of naming Shahnawaz, said Paul Lesko, head of patent and intellectual property litigation at East Alton, Ill.-based Simmons Cooper LLC. “It could be one of those things…at least it will keep it open to potentially conduct discovery [or see] if there are other names are out there.”

If Microsoft cannot identify the owners, or if TestKing chooses not to defend itself, Redmond could get a judgment in its favor fairly quickly -- months versus years – as long as it proves its case, Lesko said.

But no matter how the lawsuit plays out, if Microsoft wins, the company may have troubles collecting. Lesko said that anything awarded to Microsoft will be valid in the United States, but to collect overseas, Microsoft will need to get the cooperation of a Pakistani court. Without that, damages, property, business records and other relief the company is seeking are unlikely -- leaving only the domain names of the violating sites.

“It's easier to shut down their Web site, but it's a lot more difficult to [shut them down],” he said. “Just because you shut them down somewhere, doesn't mean they can't pop up somewhere else.”

The expense of litigation and uncertain outcome is one reason it's often the last resort for an IT certification company to sue an overseas braindump provider.

As for the timing of the suit, Lesko says there's no real change in the law that would make it more sensible for Microsoft to file the suit now versus a few years ago.

When asked why the company filed this suit now, Microsoft Learning's Lead Project Manager Al Valvano said, Nothing honestly has really changed in terms of strategy. We've always been focused on protecting the value of certification as an asset."

"I think this [case] is particularly noteworthy just because of the size of Test King,” he continued. “But there's really been no deviation in terms of [our] strategy."

Microsoft declined to comment further on the specifics of the suit.

Whether or not the suit turns out successful for Microsoft, the industry is taking other steps to help combat braindumps, says Jamie Mulkey, Ed.D., senior director of Test Security Services for the test security consulting group Caveon.

Over the past few years, groups like Caveon, the testing centers and IT certification programs themselves have developed and are using technologies that can help identify cheating at various levels throughout the testing system.

And Mulkey, who is also chair of the Association of Test Publishers' Certification Licensing Division and head of its security initiative, said that the initiative is making significant progress toward identifying the source of major test leaks in the industry, although that research is ongoing.

So while lawsuits may not be the ultimate answer, Mulkey still has high hopes for this one. “I think it's huge,” she commented. “[TestKing.com] are the kingpin, so if Microsoft's successful, I think it would…take a lot of braindump sites with them.” -- Additional reporting by Scott Bekker

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Becky Nagel is the executive editor of the 1105 Redmond Media Group's Web sites, including Redmondmag.com, RCPmag.com, RedDevNews.com and VisualStudioMagazine.com, among others.

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Mon, Nov 12, 2012 Shani

SETTLEMENT READS: UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON AT SEATTLE CASE NO CV06 1116JLR MICROSOFT CORPORATION VS SHAHZAD SHAHNAWAZ ETC THIS MATTER having come on before the court on the stipulated motion of plaintiff MICROSOFT CORPORATION ("MICROSOFT")and defendants Shahzad Shahnawaz, Ove Lundberg and Certification Trendz Ltd, ("Defendants")to dismiss Microsoft's claims against defendants with prejudice, and the court being fully advised on the matter, now therefore, it is hereby ORDERED that any and all claims asserted in this action by the plaintiff Microsoft against defendants Shahzad Shahnawaz, Ove Lundberg and Certification Trendz Ltd, ("defendants") are hereby dismissed with prejudice, each side to bear all of its own costs and attorneys fees. Dated: this 17th day of June 2007. Sd:............................ The Honourable James L. Robert United States District Judge

Thu, Oct 29, 2009 Mnl gys

hi, doesnt microsoft win the lawsuit againts testking? or they just get an agreement, do they? BTW, nice blog

Tue, Jul 28, 2009 faisalabad faisalabad

A few prometric operators tell of how a second monitor wire used to go out of the testing computer to adjacent rooms where they used to copy the exam questions. With the end of Prometric their fortunes had turned back again however it is their genius that they went international instead of just local operators. Mr. Shahzad went / disappeared to dubai for a couple of years and from their with some developers and some other prometric centers they launched test king. They used to have rented house and Maj Shahnawaz used to roam the city on a VESPA. With the cheating money they now have the only Red Ferrari in Faisalabad. Three or four seven series bmws, Porche cyans, latest Toyota Land Cruiser, properties in industrial estates, plazas in lahore and every city of Faisalabad. Needless to say they have billions of Rupees of wealth all in Pakistan. From a rented house they have built an 8 Kanal house in the middle of Faisalabad, the house where a dozen guards are standing outside their house. The whole city is amazed at their wealth and their sudden rise. Their are industrialist in the city who have been here for the last 50 or 60 years but their wealth is unrivalled. More interesting stuff is the Mr. Shahzad Shahnawaz does not meet any one he is married to an UZBEK woman. He preffered to marry some one who could not communicate to any one and was isolated so no one can know the source of their wealth. Any one can come and visit Faisalabad and the whole city knows where PASBAN IT Group is.

Tue, Jul 28, 2009 faisalabadi Faisalabadi

Dear All, I am a computer graduate from Pakistan. I want you to know that the identity of the people who run testking.com is indeed the shahnawaz family. They are a classic case of rags to riches in this third largest city of Faisalabad where every body who is any body knows every one else who is some body. I am very close to this family. Mr Shahzad Shahnawaz is son of a Retd Maj Shahnawaz from Faisalabad. They used to run a small computer college by the name of PASBAN in Faisalabad. This was at the time before the Dot Com Bust. They managed to get the Thomson Prometric Testing system in Faisalabad and from their on their fortunes turned. At the height of the Crazy Dot Com era they took thousands of dollar to get cleared exams of Microsoft,Oracle etc which was equivalent to a visa to any country in the west as the demand was very high for certification holder. Needless to say many people to get visa to the west gave them thousands of dollars to cheat their way through certification exams. Maj Shahnawaz and his daughters used to conduct the exam and it used to be hundreds of tests per month. However only after an years time Prometric cancelled their site after discovering the abuse and the duck that was laying the golden eggs was dead. However Mr.Shahzad Shahnawaz who is by education a doctor MBBS took the down turn in his fortune as a challenge. It was widely known that he has done every certification delivered through prometric at that time and became well versed with the certification exams.

Tue, Apr 14, 2009 Anonymous Anonymous

And Certification Trendz continues to operate, selling garbage to people and leaving them no recourse to get a refund. It is unreal. This company should be shutdown.

Wed, Sep 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous

Employers who expect employees to be fully competent just because they are certified do not understand that it is "entry-level". Many employers get this mentality that if the employee is certified then he will be fully competent. That's about as crazy as an employer expecting an entry-level graduate to fully competent just because of the degree. Unless your going to a technical school, your not going get fully competent by reading.

It doesn't mean your going to be completely incompetent either. A person who has completed a certification or college degree shows that they are atleast competent enough to "learn" the job. Not necessarily do the job. Basically, they will know more than a random person off of the street.

Now down to the real point: Reading or practice tests

Here is an example of why I prefer practice tests over reading:

On a practice test, I learned that a honeypot is a security term used to describe a phony network that is made to attract potential hackers away from your REAL network.

How is learning this from a practice test different from learning it from reading the book? I find practice test have the ability to keep my attention by consistently test me on a variety of topics in a short amount of time. Either way, I may know the meaning to honeypot but do not know how to set one up unless someone showes me or I did it myself using another resource such as a book.

The reason certifications are becoming less valuable isn't because of testking or pass4sure. It's because employers are finding out that certifications do not guarantee full competency. They expect the employee to be fully competent, and when they find out they are not. Value of certifications goes down.

Mon, Sep 8, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous

It is clear that TestKing may have grown big and out of control, however, I choose to use a similar certification site. It was not a dump site, to my knowledge, but they did give a guarantee. I really used it to advance my knowledge base prior to taking my certification. I had already been studying for several months and taking a class for Microsoft certifications. I just wanted more! I don't know if it helped me pass or not. In today's industry it is not what you know it is whether or not you have the certifications for the c.y.a. of the company you are lucky enough to be employed with. I know a lot and can do a lot of trouble shooting in real life situations. Dump sites don't really supply that. Its what you learn and what you are capable of doing that is important, and the only way you can do that is to show it, hands on. No web site can substitute for that!!!
M.F.D. a well trained MCP

Mon, Aug 25, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous

Nice site
Thanks, webmaster.

Sat, Aug 23, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous

Nice blog, thanks.

Thu, Jul 10, 2008 DevilRocks arizona

I can really see everyone's differant point of views on this topic is interesting. I personally have studdied all of the comptia provided material and it still wasn't qute enough. I came close but it just didnt quite make it. The Chapter on Safety and Enviormental issues, was especially pointless, provided No usefull informatoin at all. Having used the testking, i have learned that all it does it focus on the material specific to the test. (Very helpful) With this in mind, i would also have to say that any test, study material, provided by comptia, or whoever has little or no relivence compared to good old fashioned hands on experience. So to anyone preparing for the test I recomend testking if you are serious about getting into this field. However i encourage that you should use it in combination with vendor provided material as well. Because testking alone wont nessicerilly ensure your success either.

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Wed, Dec 27, 2006 Farooq Anonymous

when ever something goes wrong blame Pakistan, nobody knows who owns testking.com yet but pointing your fingers to Pakistan, its clearly mention in article above "Microsoft declined to comment further on the specifics of the suit". but you people traditionally blaming Pakistan and "May be" fictional character of Microsoft Mr Shahzad Shahnawaz, from Faisalabad, Pakistan.
Guys try to see things from other angle, why dont we blame Microsoft Inc. for there testing process, if RedHat Inc. maintains its Certification and testing standards why not Microsoft.
why not Microsoft excepts its losing the Game against Open Source!

Fri, Dec 8, 2006 Jimmy AU

One of my mates recently passed his CCIE written exam without ever opening a textbook. All he did was go through the TestKing exam and learnt the questions.
This really pisses me off, as I am competing for roles with people who have done this, whereas to get my certs I have always done the hard yards.
What was more concerning was that the TestKing exam was provided to him by his Manager, who bought the exam using Company Money.
How can you expect people to do a good job if they don't know how to work the technology (as my mate is quite upfront about).
Also, a point for Saleem from Pakistan. I acknowledge that it is not fair that you can't sit a MS exam in Pakistan. However, at the same time, perhaps you need to question the Pakistani Government as to why somebody can operate in your country performing such an activity, unimpeded by the judiciary system. I am shocked by what I see. While not defending MS, I have been in Asian countries and seen how easy it is to buy counterfeit copies of Windows and other MS s/ware in Malls and Shops, without the Central Government doing anything about it. It is people making a buck off another company's investment, undermining any justification to develop intellectual property. Saleem, suggest you start lobbying the Pakistani Govenrment to bust this fulla.

Mon, Nov 27, 2006 danish karachi

i whole heartedly agree with saleem

Wed, Nov 15, 2006 saleem pakistan

I dont understand this. Why did MS ban its tests in Pakistan. I am an MCP myself and unfortunately, i didn't know about this ban till now. Today when i went to one of the test centers to register for an exam, they laughed at me and informed me that MS exams are banned in Pakistan for the last 2 months. This was a shocking new for me. I returned to office and searched internet for the related news. All i found out was that Testking's owner was thought to be a UK based Pakistani, it is still not sure and remains an assumption and as a punishment MS have banned its certifications in Pakistan. Why? Why punishing 150 million people just to teach a lesson to one man who is thought to be a Pakistani? There are many MS certified professionals in Pakistan and many who intend to become MCPs. This will be a huge disappointment for everyone if MS doesn't lift the ban as soon as possible. TestKing was used all over the world so MS tests should have been banned everywhere in the world! Why just Pakistan? MS should stop this discriminination.

Tue, Oct 31, 2006 tom myrtle beach

I just want to say that i have passed four certs. These certs i passed because i studied and found what i could on the internet. I took the win xp test and failed. I actually studied almost twice as much for the xp as other certs. The test wasnt about XP but about the "windows system". unfortunatly, the study books that i read(3) talked about winXp, not the microsoft way and system. My whole point is that if microsoft doesnt test you on what the test is supposed to be on , then i think it only fair to have places like TK.
At least i can figure out by the questions what the right answer was and learn from it.

Sun, Oct 29, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

people put it this way, testking is not the only one where ppl seek help to pass ms certs. MS tried to shutdown chinaIT but they still operate and i can bet there are thousands of them out there offers similar guides as testking and others. But for a while MS hadn't had any lawsuit to indulge themself then that's fine. Cuz MS always seems to be involve in lawsuits...Good Luck to MS (may be).

Fri, Oct 13, 2006 Iain Anonymous

I have just recently studied my ass of and passed my first MCP exam.
I have also been working in the field for over 6 years.

From my initial experience with testing, I think Microsoft needs to:

a) Put more information out there about which sites are brain bumps and which are legitimate practise test providers.

As this was my first exam I had no idea what brain dumps were. I had studied long and hard, and don’t want to "accidentally" pay for a brain dump when what I’m wanting is a legit practise material.

b) Make sure their official training kits are up to a better standard.

From my experience, If I had relied solely on the training kit provided by MS, I would have probably barley passed.
My work experience and study on MSDN got me my good score, solely relying on the training kit would have left me standing with nothing but my dick in my hand.

If the training provided is more in line with what is in the exam, it could help deter people from wanting to use a brain dump to make sure they know what they need to.

Thu, Oct 12, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

I beleive the certification itself has become an addiction - it;s one thing to have certification - it's another ro know what you are doing... I believe very strongly that their should be apprenticeship type programs for anyone in the IT field the same as for automechanics plummers - electricians etc

Mon, Oct 9, 2006 Mr. Magoo California

This is complex. Here some thoughts:
First of all, I think those using exam materials without knowledge and hands-on practice in labs - assuming one has no experience - would just be cheating themselves. For those who are offended by Testking materials, how about those intensive bootcamps who cram lots of questions that you see on MCSE, CCNA, CCNP etc ? The only difference is that some bootcamps cost way more.

I think all this position from Microsoft is really silly. Exams are expensive and in my judgment many of them require a high degree of memorization (in parts, because the exams get higher to meet the bootcamp and other intensive training). For the masses out there who cannot attend bootcamps, I think they would naturally resort to Q&A as a study guide instead of spending $$ on failed exams.

All that position from MS I think it is not wise; why not implemeting hands-on exams instead ? Problem solved.

Tue, Sep 26, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

I will tell you now, certifications went out 10 years ago. Novell started the whole thing and now everybody makes money off of it. I still think a degree should be a requirement. It should be like BS, MS, PhD. I will admit that I was green in 1988, but I learned. Now I have a MS, and that Novell cert I got back in 93 is not worth a penny. I started teaching college a couple of years ago, and I will tell my students that a cert is Okay today, but the degree will not expire.

Wed, Sep 20, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Wht the hell is this.....thats not fair....why not microsoft appoints its personnels at testing centre who can monitor the testing...... but thats not , where will all the students who have been preparing to take exams will go now ???????????????????????????????????

Sat, Sep 16, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Without Teskting there would not be those numerous MCPs, MSCEs, etc around the world. The problem is security in exam centres. Prometric centres easily have access to real exam questions

Fri, Sep 15, 2006 Sid Anonymous

Ok i agree to a certain point that Test King is Illegal, but why mirosoft has suspended its certification program from Pakistan whereas TK is used in all over the world...?

Fri, Sep 15, 2006 Mubashir Malik

Now look after reading all above comment i know ammar the guy who has told me about testking he has done every thing from test king including his black friend Rao and i think guy like these are responsible to what have happened today to all professionals of pakistan. They bring bad names to us

Thu, Sep 14, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

"I don't mean to sound rude, but there are a lot of idiots in IT, just like in any industry. Maybe i'm an idiot too but at least i have a job and i learned a lot in six years after i got paper certified in 1999. Today i know a lot and can make enough money to support because i stuck with it. Did the paper cert help me? Of course it did initially, but that knowledge kind of went away in a month and i was doing a lot of real things which the exams never went to... and i think it happens to millions of people who work in IT.. knowling questions was one thing for me, keeping this job i have was another. Now i love it. But just because there were idiots who could get certified did not stop me from pursuing my own goal of a good career. The idiots faded away as time went by (i still know a few)... and some of us went ahead... it is all how you want it... so don't be an idiot and blame braindumps. Go get a job, learn the hell out of it, make a good career and enjoy. Unless you want to remain an idiot. No offense."


Totally Agreed Dumps make a Dump Professional

Wed, Sep 13, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

block also in india..india has more fake certs (certified) than pakistan i think. u can buy cert like candies there...imagine an indian guy gone for vacation for 1 month and back as MCSE :( terrible!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, Sep 13, 2006 Don Saudi Arabia

please shutdown google and ebay too...this are logically the same as testking business :P

Tue, Sep 12, 2006 Abbas London

Well first of all MS must stop bringing the MCSE versions every year and putting lots of same stuff with diffrent name...dumps are good enough to learn and help understand things but it can't give the whole idea of what the technology is about. A Dumper can't get through just on the basis of certification but he'll if he has studed the book too.

Mon, Sep 11, 2006 haroon Anonymous

Microsoft is illegal itself.... they sell totally bugged OS and recently the Open Source revolution has struck Bill Gate mind and also his defeat against Sony with Games Consoles and flop product of Xbox has made him to think new ways to keep himself and MS in the news.. .. I am not in favor of TK but i am neither against it... MS exam fee is very expensive for students and especially the ones from poor countries.. people get TK stuff to make sure they pass the exam and dont lose money and I think MS must reduce its exam fee as well as improve its exam infrastructure instead of just pointing to TK kinda websites...

Mon, Sep 11, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Ha ha finally TK is owned by JW. Bush
what microsoft can do ????

Sun, Sep 10, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

why microsoft has banned it certification in pakistan.
it should make transperent testing centere

Sun, Sep 10, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

microsoft ke ma ke choot hum mcse kay bajay CCNA kar lain gay.

Sat, Sep 9, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Testking is not used only in Pakistan but around whole the world if Microsoft & Cisco wants to stops their Certification Exam it should be for whole world not for Pakistan only as Prometric and VUE had orders to not conduct any exam of Cisco and Microsoft in Pakistan!!!! This is not fair

Thu, Sep 7, 2006 muhammad omair siddiqui pakistan

i think MS have full rights to call tk's to the court...but how they can survive even TK is closed...see you have P4s, actual test, exam shot....and list goeson.......

Tue, Sep 5, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Testking.com does bring money for microsoft as far as certifications are concerned, if u look at a picture without any braindumps whatsoever, the number of ppl opting for certification would be less. microsoft WOULD lose business

Wed, Aug 30, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

When more than 100,000 people know all the questions to every MS exam, and MS is too lazy to recycle the pool every now and then, it had stopped being a trade secret long ago. Transcender, MeasureU and everyone else uses the same public domain questions to tweak their product. Some get away with it, others cannot. I have taken over 20 MS tests, and Transcender could not have come up with those questions independently without having inside knowledge about the exams. It's just a fact. You can check it too if you want. This is all too little too late.

Tue, Aug 29, 2006 Guest Anonymous

Why Microsoft Always goes to bit to others ??? Have they checked the quality of exam ??? In Microsoft Exam on questions remains for More than 6 months ??? How Microsoft Can claim that they have quality exam ??? Can Microsoft give answer ?????

Tue, Aug 29, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

In my opinion, these certs requiring you to pass a stupid written test are a joke. Written certifications are only cash-cows for Microsoft, Cisco, etc. They really don't prove anything because one can't tell if the test-taker knows their sh*t until something breaks. If these companies are so worried about maintaining the integrity of certification, use a hands-on approach like the Cisco CCIE Lab and change it up frequently so these TestKing morons can't braindump it. It's all BS and it's all about money, both on Microsoft's end and on TestKing's end. They're both assholes.

Sat, Aug 26, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

If TestKing.com is illegal... Why the hell are Amazon.com selling their products!

Sat, Aug 26, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

It would not surprise me but if Microsoft closes TestKing.com then they can expect a very large reduction in the number of people taking MCP exams.

Everyone knows that the cost of the MCP exams is too expensive – as a result people want added insurance that they will pass the exam.

As for MeasureUp.com I think those questions where you have to order the items for a specific task are a complete waste of time! They are awful!

It’s a sad fact but Microsoft will lose a substantial amount of business if TestKing.com goes down.

Fri, Aug 25, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

I don't mean to sound rude, but there are a lot of idiots in IT, just like in any industry. Maybe i'm an idiot too but at least i have a job and i learned a lot in six years after i got paper certified in 1999. Today i know a lot and can make enough money to support because i stuck with it. Did the paper cert help me? Of course it did initially, but that knowledge kind of went away in a month and i was doing a lot of real things which the exams never went to... and i think it happens to millions of people who work in IT.. knowling questions was one thing for me, keeping this job i have was another. Now i love it. But just because there were idiots who could get certified did not stop me from pursuing my own goal of a good career. The idiots faded away as time went by (i still know a few)... and some of us went ahead... it is all how you want it... so don't be an idiot and blame braindumps. Go get a job, learn the hell out of it, make a good career and enjoy. Unless you want to remain an idiot. No offense.

Fri, Aug 25, 2006 Mel Puerto Rico

tk teaches a lot of real world situations. i see it as an extra review before the exam. anyway anyone who uses it without really know the material are only cheating themselves.
Mel - MCSA

Fri, Aug 25, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

MCSE - MCSA - CCNA.. I think all opinions are valid and like everything around here, life with cert dumps will continue. I do have to agree, the dumps are useful in the fact that they teach stuff that is real world without the years that come with learning. Are they good or bad, well, the ultimate judgement on if certs are worth their weight are the employers who do the hiring. I think certs are good to show a certain devotion to education like degree's do but really don't gauge a person's skills until push comes to shove and something is broke and needs to be fixed. I know alot of people who have a driver's license but do they know how to drive? Not really. But at least I know that they know what is right and what is wrong. All in all, keep them for all I care. I think if a person puts enough time in memorizing questions then something has got to stick in their head about job skills.

Fri, Aug 25, 2006 Ammar Anonymous

i have acheived my certification newly , and i proud of it because i am not like those who have certifications and don't know what it contains and talking about , and hey you the last one who sayed this doesn't devalue the certification , show your name if have a courage i fear your are one of those who don't know about this what it's contains

Fri, Aug 25, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

I don't know how someone can say this doesn't devalue the certification. I personally know of a few people who couldn't pass the certification exams until they went out and purchased the TK material. Even then, they didn't know the material; they passed because they memorized the questions and answers. I would like to be proud of my certification. I would like to think it sets me apart from those who haven’t achieved my level of competence. Unfortunately, if any Joe on the street can purchase the answers to the test then the certification isn’t worth the postage they paid to send it to me.

Thu, Aug 24, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Testking is merely a study source. If you really don't know the material, It will show while on the job. Can it help you learn? Absolutely. Each question / Answer gives explinations of why the correct answer is correct, and wrong answers are wrong. Including book page references. Does it devalue the cert? not really. What employer hires you solely on cert? I know college grads that know nothing about real world IT when they graduate. You must proove yourself in every field.

Thu, Aug 24, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Many MS employees use TK for their MS exams anyway. This entire thing is silly. I hope all of the resources that MS is using on litigation does not stiffle that old MS creativity. MS employees...make sure you delete all those TK files that you have been exchanging around the office. This lawsuit will be a major priority for the Pakistani court system (ha-ha) and I would hate to see your complicity in this damage your case.

Thu, Aug 24, 2006 Renegade MCSE Anonymous

Instead of spending money on attorneys, Microsoft should be spending it on increasing the number of exam questions in the pool. Better yet, get rid of test based certifications and implement a hands on cert similar to Cisco's CCIE.

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