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NT 4.0 Retirement Reversal Popular with MCSEs

Once an MCSE on Windows NT 4.0, always an MCSE on Windows NT 4.0.

So says Microsoft now, doing an 11th-hour about-face on one of the most unpopular decisions in the company’s history.

Robert Stewart, Microsoft’s general manager for training and certification, told MCP Magazine that decertification on Jan. 1 of next year for MCSEs who haven’t recertified on Windows 2000 is a thing of the past. Your credential “absolutely will not expire ever,” Stewart said. “Your NT 4.0 (certification) will appear in your transcripts forever.”

Many in the MCSE community were furious when Microsoft first announced the decertification, and Redmond eventually heard their cries. “We made the decision after talking to a lot of customers and partners and decided that decertifying the credential is probably not the best idea,” Stewart said.

“People who are MCSEs on NT 4.0 today, those skills and that job function doesn’t go away on Jan. 1,” Stewart added.

Anne Marie McSweeney, Microsoft’s director of certification skills and assessment, said the decision wasn’t made overnight. “We’ve been mulling it over for quite a long time. It was an evolution of thought.”

McSweeney echoed Stewart’s comments that MCSE input played a major role in the choice to retain the older title. “Absolutely. Those people are very critical to the success of Microsoft. They help customers realize the benefit of Microsoft products. We’re committed to our audience. We said we shouldn’t be calling the shots; let the market decide it.”

Those who hold the MCSE+I, MCP+I and MCP+Site Building credentials will retain those as well.

It also means that those who have been working feverishly to upgrade their certification before the end of the year can breathe a little easier. However, the 70-240 Accelerated Exam, eligible to NT 4.0 MCSEs and others who have completed the NT 4.0 core, is still only available until Dec. 31, holding to the original schedule.

McSweeney emphasized that she hopes the new system won’t deter people from still going for their MCSE under Win2K. As of Oct. 10, there were 47,000 Win2K MCSEs, and more than 150,000 individuals who’ve passed at least one Win2K exam. Win2K MCSEs, she pointed out, referring to figures from MCP Magazine’s annual salary survey, published in August, “clearly indicate that people who hold that credential make significantly more than NT 4.0 MCSEs, so the market is making a distinction” between the older and newer titles, she said.

“Great news. We run an NT 4.0 network and have no plans to upgrade for at least the next two years,” said Robert King, a certified professional in Scotland in a comment posted to MCPmag.com. “Thank you, Microsoft. Common sense prevails.”

As pleased as many NT 4.0 MCSEs are about not losing their status, others are angered at the last-minute changeup by Microsoft.

“Retirement of the NT 4.0 paper MCSEs was the only thing that was going to make the effort I put into my 2000 MCSE worth it,” said Chris from Texas in another online post. “Now I stand here with letters on my resume that mean even less than they did yesterday. I assure you that when I’m hiring people, I will overlook NT 4.0 MCSEs in favor of Win2K MCSEs because it shows effort, desire, and the ability to learn quickly.”

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Keith Ward is the editor in chief of Visual Studio Magazine.

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Reader Comments:

Sun, Jan 6, 2002 Khan Scotland

Hi all,
What the hell exam was that 240?
I failed because I got 30 mins time reduced from the actual 50 mins time.
I have taken all the exams again by paying fees .
Now im mcse 2k.
--Khan

Tue, Dec 18, 2001 Jorge Negrete Mexico

It's a good decision. However, I would like to see Microsoft extend the deadline to take the upagrade exam.

Mon, Dec 17, 2001 Tired Brain Anonymous

Taking away a person's achievements is a mistake. I'm glad MS made the right decision in this case. However, I believe that this is business motivated & NOT done out of recognition of the MCSE.

Mon, Dec 17, 2001 Chris Baker Columbus, Ohio

I don't really care that much about this or not. I have found that the MCSE is almost worthless in the job market anyway.

Even though I had an MCSE, I was unable to get jobs which paid as low as $28,000. I was working for the worst employer I have ever had when I got my MCSE. I would have done almost anything to get out of there.

I currently have three years of information technology experience. I am making a lot less than I certainly expected three years ago. I am probably going to abandon MS certification altogether.

Sat, Dec 15, 2001 Patrick Anonymous

Oh please... to make things easier just let everybody keep their certification in whatever they decided to do and do differentiate all NT 4 w2k MCSE, MCSE+i and that settles everything and I think everybody would be very happy with MS. It's simple actually... those who were certified in NT4 get's the MCSE 4.0 and those who upgraded gets both... NT4.o and W2K... so what's the actual big deal actually.... why share every title and then differentiate the contents of the title in the first place. Let the employers choose whether it is important to be MCSE 4.0 and MCSE 2000. The problem is solved and there is no need to force people who don't want improvementsand there is no stopping people who wants improvement either.

Sat, Dec 15, 2001 Eric belgium

I think there is good and bad in microsoft's descision not to retire the NT4 exams. The good is that it leaves time for people to upgrade. I think there is no sense in upgrading now if the company you work for has no plan to upgrade before 2 years or so. Now I think the creditentials should be retired after some time. I know of somebody who passed his NT4 MCSE in 1997 or so and didn't study anything new since, will that person still be an up to date engineer in 2 or 3 years if he doesn't learn anything new? I don't think so, but he will still have MCSE on his resume. I think microsoft should have a CLEAR and realistic polici about de-certification, something like "everybody is decertified 3 years after whe retire the exams", which would leave enought time for both MCSE and the corporation employing them to phase out the old technology.

Mon, Dec 10, 2001 Sean Canty Kansas City

I am glad MS changed this poilicy.
I still think the WIN2k 70-240 test should be extened. I certified for NT 4.0 after 24 months of using the products and alot of bugs where resloved.

Are we supppose to certify in beta versions? I used NT 5.0 beta for a while in 1997 should I have certified in that product then what would it mean?

Vouchers should have been sent out automatically and the 70-240 test should be extended. WIN2k not a diferent animal NT 4.0 with NDS structure and more UNIX like naming standards. I work 60 hours a week I don't want to follow marketing BS I want to learn relivant new technology. I use computers to make peoples lives easier.
I'd like Microsoft to help those that provide skilled service of there product not jerk us around to make a buck.

My first computer came with all the realavent materials and instructions.
Now we have to spend more $$ on books than equipment then pay to prove we learned that which should be easily accessed. Maybe if more SYS ADMINs where educated about the nuts and bolts of MS Products instead of having to case paper by MS recent viruses and securuty leaks would have been minimized. I work with UNIX also and the enviornment there is more cooperative than the spitting contests I see played out daily in the MS world. From the US court system to lowly help desk geeks.

Please get back to making something not taking.

Mon, Dec 10, 2001 Sean Canty Boston

I am glad MS changed this poilicy.
I still think the WIN2k 70-240 test should be extended.
I certified for NT 4.0 after 24 months of using the products and alot of bugs where resloved. I have a MIS degree use multiple platforms.

Are we supppose to certify in beta versions? I used NT 5.0 beta for a while in 1997 should I have certified in that product then what would it mean?
Vouchers should have been sent out automatically and the 70-240 test should be extended. WIN2k is not adrastically diferent animal (NT 4.0 with NDS structure and more UNIX like naming standards). I work 60 hours a week I don't want to follow marketing BS I want to learn relivant new technology. I use computers to make peoples lives easier.
I'd like Microsoft to help those that provide skilled service of there product not jerk us around to make a buck.

My first computer came with all the realavent materials and instructions. Now we have to spend more $$ on books than equipment then pay to prove we learned that which should be easily accessed. Maybe if more SYS ADMINs where educated about the nuts and bolts of MS Products instead of having to chase paper by MS recent viruses and securuty leaks would have been minimized. I work with UNIX also and the enviornment there is more cooperative than the spitting contests I see played out daily in the MS world. From the US court system to lowly help desk geeks. Paper cert what ever you show your stuff at work. And if you make people upgrade completely before thorough using the product in the real world that will kill the MCSE namebrand first.

Mon, Dec 10, 2001 Stan Washington

I applaud Microsofts decision. If our certifications are going to truely be "professional" certifications, then it needs to be divorced from any connection with the marketing of a new operating system. To throw out a certification because a new operating system is rolled out appears to me to be a "marketing driven" decision. Many companies are happily using NT and will continue to do so for a long period of time. Like many/most of you, I am working to recertify on WIN2000. That is a big part of what I love about this industry. The push too keep learning the new "stuff".... To try to stay ahead of the learning curve for new technologies as they are developed, but that does not negate the knowledge that we already have, it builds on it.

Sun, Dec 9, 2001 RODRIGO Anonymous

I still don't believe that Microsoft or any other certifying institution could de-certify what they have given certification to since the certification they gave are specific to the exam taken. If you are an MCSE for NT4 you are an MCSE for that particular certification forever. They may remove your name from their lists but it does not remove the fact that you have been certified by them as proven by the ID and certificate given. If you want to get certified to another level, that is left on your discretion.

Fri, Dec 7, 2001 Berni Germany

Thats a good idea to hold MCSE Nt4. But i wait for an ohter decision. My company was Microsoft Partner for many years. Now i can´t renew partnership, we have many MCP NT4 but no MCP2000. we don´t plan migrate the next 2 years. But we would be Microsoft Partner. Is there any way to partnership without new qualification for 2000 ?

Fri, Dec 7, 2001 Gerald Alford South Carolina

I have tried hard to keep my comments to myself, but the little comments box kept showing up, so let me have my say.

First of all, thanks to Microsoft for this decision. I think it will encourage many of us that had worked so hard to achieve our paper MCSE certification status with the NT 4.0 track to move forward with 2000, 2002, XP, or what ever new technology Microsoft deems to release to the industry.

I am simply disgusted and appalled at the MCSE war concerning paper MCSE's. No other certification program in the industry has so called paper certified personnel and if your certificate isn't on the same cheap piece of paper that mine came on, then maybe some of us did take the wrong course of study and passed the wrong exams. But at least we can now be encouraged to do it all over again...all for the sake of the piece of paper. After all, good money comes in paper also. And I'd hate to refer to all our new college grads as simply having paper diplomas.

Sure experience has it's merit and rewards, and certification cannot and will never replace experience, but I think all efforts towards any certification should be honored and respected until the experience itself proves otherwise or that such certification is deemed unnecessary or useful.

I see nothing bad about being referred to as an NT MCSE or a W2K MCSE and we all know what our transcripts read and where our experiences lie, but for us to call each other PAPER MCSE's is an insult to the whole world of Microsoft certified personel. And personally, I don't think Microsoft had anything to do with all the belittling and name-calling surrounding the MCSE title. BTW, Do we have any paper MCP's, MCT's, MCSD's? It all seems to be surrounding the MCSE title. And I'd rather be a paper MCSE than an arrogant MCSE. Nuf said!

Thu, Dec 6, 2001 Wilson Anonymous

I need a much time to study and prepare the exam for the Accelerated Exam 70-240. Please consider to extend the deadline.

Wed, Dec 5, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I don’t think anyone noticed that Microsoft retired IIS 3.0 exam saying this was NT 3.51 track, when IIS 3.0 is on NT 4.0 installation disk and by default is selected for installation. Do they know their products or what? :-)

Wed, Dec 5, 2001 Geo Colorado

Say, I have just been all over the Microsoft Training and Certification Web site and cannot find the 'offical' announcement that NT 4.0 MCSE certification is not being 'retired.' Anyone care to post a link to the Evil Empire's statement to that effect? Geo, MCSE in NT 4.0, MCSE in Windows 2000 as of fall, 2001.

Tue, Dec 4, 2001 Putty London

I think that a good choice has been made. Poeple that work for something should have something to show for it, and thus i don't feel that having upgraded to Win2K was a bad thing as Scott said. You have still gained know-how in the industry. If you feel that what you learned was a waste, shame to you mate.

Mon, Dec 3, 2001 anonymous Anonymous

well iam a mcse on winnt since 98.still i didnt get a job.and now ms is saying that the nt is gonna de-cert.for the sake of making money ms wants to market their exams,and i paid for the exams to get certified not microsoft.now iam glad to hear that the certification on nt4.0 will resume after 1st of jan.i think ms had made a very good desicion.

Mon, Dec 3, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I think the deadline to take the upgrade exam 240 should be extended. Many companies (Microsoft partners) are still running NT 4.0. To take 240 exam Microsoft expects candidates to have some experience with W2K. How can you get experience if your company doesn't have w2k ?

Sun, Dec 2, 2001 Kris Chicago

Obviously this decision is a good one. I have yet to see a valid argument against the new system. If I am hiring someone to manage a WinNT4 network what good does it do to know that someone is an MCSE if it only means that they know Win2K. That person could have started with Win2K and may not even know what WINS is. I am glad that I don't have to interupt my Cisco cert track so that I can scramble to pass the Win2K tests and end up being a paper Win2K MCSE having just passed the tests and not having really worked with it. This decision is better for everyone except possibly Win2K MCSEs that were never NT4 MCSEs.

Sun, Dec 2, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

It is now the responsibility of Microsoft to be very clear and very vocal about the differences between MCSE NT4 and MCSE W2K. Microsoft needs to go the extra mile to make sure that recruiters, headhunters, middle-managers, executives, and anyone else who makes hiring decisions knows full well that the MCSE W2K certification is much more rigorous than its predecessor. Microsoft should also require all certification holders to stop using the unqualified title of MCSE.

The biggest problem with certifications right now is that the people who make the hiring decisions have no idea what they mean. Microsoft’s decision to not de-certify the MCSE NT4 holders will only exacerbate this problem. Steps should be taken to alleviate the confusion.

Daniel L. Benway
Systems Engineer / Administrator
BS Computer Science
MCSE (NT4), MCP (2000)
CCNA (2.0), Network+, CLP (AD R4)

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 piyush india

Initially when I heard about the NT4.0 certification is going to be expired. I think that better I will go for other certification like Red Hat Certification or other Network related Certification. But now, It gives me quite breath.

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Mike Missouri

Not True! My NT 4.0 MCSE and MCP+I certifications expired due to one of my exams being retired. I was informed that in order to regain my MCSE status, I would need to take, and pass, ONE W2K exam. So MCSE's will still expire!

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Matt New York

I am happy with MS's decision to not retire NT 4 MCSE credentials. I am an NT 4 MCSE and has just passed my accerelated exam. I am also working in a large financial firm in NY which is going through a Win2k migration. I have a pretty firm knowledge of Win2k, however, since we are short on staff and the firm is very fast paced, I haven't had much time to study and completely re-certify my credentials. I believe there are many people like me out there - too much work, too little time. This is not because we're lazy or don't care about the new technology. We're just overwhelmed with work. This also doesn't mean that we don't know jack about Win2k. Those of us who are working with Win2k design and implementation first hand are by far more knowledgable than those who just got the new credentials with no experience. Still to me, experience means more than certification. By retiring the NT 4 credentials, it's like saying that NT 4 is no longer relevant. NT 4 will be around for a few more years, and I believe that people who know it are more valuable than people who just know Win2k.

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 William Canada

I have been Microsoft Certified since 1996 (NT 3.51) and used that certification to penetrate the high-tech industry. Frankly, even back then the tests did not prepare you for real life. (Only real life does that, right?) Since then, I worked with NT 4.0 for many years and achieved my MCSE+I only recently ,in November of 2000, due to market pressures to back up my more current NT4 knowledge with certification. And I must admit, I learned a few new tricks from studying for certification that I hadn't learned through experience. So I am the most vocal when it comes to deploring "paper MCSE's." However, Windows 2000 "paper MCSE's" are now appearing too. Because of website's that "dump" exam questions and answers for anyone to memorize, I already know quite a few people that are passing exams without putting in the proper amount of "brain" effort. I work hard for a living and have the scars & the success stories to prove it. So I feel that my NT4 MCSE is still worth something, quite a lot actually. But let's not kid ourselves, "paper-based W2K MCSE's" are just a matter of time. So I suggest determining your worth with your experience first, then your certification. As for my my W2K MCSE exams, I'm working it in between W2K deployments. And don't think I'm not studying my butt of to help guarantee success!

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Ron Indiana

Unlike Chris from Texas, quoted in the article above, the first thing I will look for when hiring someone will be a college degree or past experience, not a certification. Certifications are an added plus but I've met too many people that see them as a shortcut for an education and experience. They, certifications, also have a tendency to indicate knowledge in a particular company's GUI instead of the important concepts behind that interface.

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Hunter Louisiana

The biggest problem that MCSEs face these days is not Microsoft's certification program, it's other MCSE's. The arrogance of some of these people is astounding! Calling someone a "Paper MCSE" should have nothing to do with anything! Did you think that having MCSE initials after your name brought you in to some sort of exclusive club? You don't thing that there are doctors out there practicing who had cheated on most of their exams? In other words, don't lean on the MCSE crutch too much. Having an MCSE doesn't define who you are, or what you are worth, and believe me, it isn't an exclusive club. It's merely a certification. Experience is the key, if anyone hires anyone just because of some letters, they need to rethink their hiring practices! The end. See you guys at the 70-240 exam!

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Brian Windle Alaska

Way to go microsoft! This was an excellent move to not decertify MCSE NT 4.0. I work in a strictly NT 4.0 network and even though I am almost complete in my WIN2000 certification I agree that the market should decide when it needs NT 4.0 MCSEs and when it needs WIN2000 MCSEs. Who is to say when people will choose to stop using NT 4.0. You can't just tell people that there are no more Certified Proffesionals for the operating system they are still running in their enterprise. I can't believe some of the stupidity that is coming out of some people's mouths. Yes, we know you are really high speed and that you got your WIN2000 MCSE before the notice from Microsoft that they were not going to retire the MCSE NT 4.0. And yes we know you are pissed off. I really question how these individuals get along with their coworkers, because not everybody is as brilliant as they are. To me these people are acting very pompus. DO NOT MOCK THOSE WHO WORK AROUND YOU!! Yes there are some paper MCSEs, but do you really think that these people don't know anything? They did pass the exams and they did study and work hard to get the certification just like you. Maybe they didn't work in the industry and they were looking to make an entry into the field. If they have a job in the computer industry chances are that by now they should no longer be called paper MCSEs. They have gained knowledge and experience (or one should hope). When you go to an interview and a company looks at your resume they are also looking for experience in the field. They are not just looking for MCSE. I would hire an NT 4.0 MCP with two years experience over an MCSE 2000 with 6 months experience any day. If you look at it that way, it is your experience that shows where you are in the pecking order, not only your Microsoft certifications. So all of you who upgraded to WIN2000 I aplaud you! But just remeber the people who work in that cubicle next to you. Microsoft did!

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Jim Connecticut

It took me 2 years maintaining a NT4.0 network before I was able to pass the exams for my MCSE. I am still maintaining that NT4.0 network and unlike Scott above, I am not the type of person who can read a book and pass an exam. It will be some time after we convert our network before I will even attempt to get the certification. It sounds to me almost like it is ONLY the paper tigers converting to Win2K MCSE's. I know I need to work with it in the real world, not the lab to get the comfort level needed to say I can do that.

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Hugh Charlotte, NC

I commend Microsoft for rescinding it's decision to retire the NT 4.0 certification.

I also believe that Microsoft should remove the deadline for taking the Accelerated Exam (70-240). Like many professional in the industry, time limitations prevent me from preparing for this exam. If I were to pass this exam, I would certainly pursue the Windows 2000 certification.

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 Todd Zatorski Germany

I very much disagree with Chris and Scott Spiess, are you attempting to say, that those of us still working on 4.0 networks every day are paper MCSEs, or we are not smart enough to upgrade our skills, since we did not upgrade to w2k. Since my network is still 4.0 based, upgrading to w2k, would have made me a paper MCSE. If the two of you are looking for something to pass the time, join me in studying for my CCIE exam, it should be a walk in the park for you, since this uneducated MCSE 4.0, is working my way through it.

Todd R. Zatorski, MCP+I, MCSE, CCNA, CCDP, Lead Network Designer, Absolute-Computing

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 George Anonymous

Since the WINNT 4.0 MCSE is not being terminated, I had only one test left for my MCSE. IF I were to take the Migrating from NT 4.0 to 2K as a WIN2000 elective could I also get credit for NT to obtain that Certification too?

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 scott utah

I would like to see microsoft extend the deadline to take the upgrade exam 240. That would be really nice. I think another issue that microsoft was dealing with is that by decertifing all those mcse 4.0 is that it also makes many of their certified partners unqualified to be in that program. For the gold program a business has to have two mcses, and there are some huge marketing and financial benefits to being a gold partner with microsoft.

Fri, Nov 30, 2001 PLZ MICROSOFT UAE

The decision taken is good. But there is a problem in the accelerated exam! I don't see that one test can grade an MCSE NT4.0 to be an MCSE 2000! I failed the upgrade test. Not because of windows 2000 but because of Networking essentials that was based on TCP/IP! My opinion is for Microsoft to try to grade different part of the test. SO, the parts that the one failed in, he has to do their individual tests. It is not fair for one test to be graded as a whole and if u fail one part u fail the test. PLZ MICROSOFT!

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Hooshyar Dejam Iran

I am an MCP+I , MCSE
I didn't want to take a 70-240 exam befor this great News because it was very expensive for me to pay $$$$ every year but after this news I am willing to take this exam .

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Bill Orange County

I was first certified in the 80's on Netware version 2. Novell's certification program was like a partnership between you and Novell. When I got into the Microsoft certification program in the early 90's it was similar. By the end of the 90's Microsoft had turned their certification program into a major money generating machine and where does this hungey machine get it's money from?? That's right, it's you the certified individual. Microsoft's certification program has degraded into the worst certification program. As an MCT I was given only one month to upgrade my certification. Of course on the 11th hour another week or two was added. The annual cost last year to be an MCT was $0.00. The summer of 2001 it was going to be $100.00 / year. The final cost ended up to be $400.00 / year. And this is just a small part of keeping your MCT certification. Time to wrap it up... I expect that in the future I will drop all my MS certifications in favor of the many other superior certification programs available. I don't feel that the 'cheated' or 'paper' certification holders have devalued the program. They have only distorted the statistics of the certification counters. It's Microsoft that has devalued the program with (I'm being nice here) their extreemly poor 'hack' management job. One more thing..... In the future when Win2k is as popular as vacuum tube based AM car radios are today and my life has long past, will I still be NT 4.0 certified??

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Happy Ont, Canada

I am an MCP+I, MCSE, CNE, A+,,, etc. I have paid a lot of $$$$s to get certified. I feel that once you are certified on a track, you should always be certified on it. How can someone revoke your certification? Thats outrageous! I also think that it should be up to the individual to make his/her choice to upgrade or not. Maybe they can function quite well in their job etc. without going through more rigorous training.... that they may not need. Or they may have had all the need experience from elsewhere. Anyhow, I agree with the decision to "always be certified" It is selfish of others to think that they are better because they did the upgrade. Are we forced to upgrade our op/sys when a new version comes out? Thanks for this oppertunity to give my opinion.

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 WM Holzmann Victoria, CA

I think that this is a great move for MS. If a person becomes a doctor he does not lose that certification just because new technology or new medicines are developed. I am glad that I managed to re-certify as an MCSE Windows 2000 before December 2000. What does upset me however is that the closer we get to the deadline, the more incentives MS is giving away. The people that started this change many months ago do not get this recognition. MS gave all those who certified before June a special Early Achiever card, what a disappointment. We do however know that technology runs on and we who have chosen this career need to remember that we will continually need to recertify, so why complain. For those who do not like the plain truth, get out of this industry. To all those of you out there that that have re-certified in Win2k, Congratulations.
If I was employing staff this is the certification I would be looking for.
MCSE, MCT

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Scott Spiess Roseville, CA

I DON'T THINK SO!!!!! You say that I am happy with the situation? I don't think so. I listened to Microsoft when they said that they were going to de-cert the NT 4.0 track. I went and I studied. I passed all the tests under the 2K track....not just the 240 test. I decided a short cut was not in my best interest. I decided that I needed to know what I was doing before I started calling myself a MCSE . I guess my NT 4.0 bretheren don't fit this bill ( yes I am MCSE in NT 4.0 and 2K ). I am not happy about the reversal, not for the people out there who are not interesting in learning new products, or the ones that say its too hard, or they need more time (you had better than a year, what do you work for the goverment or something?) it was that the un-retirement of so many of the NT 4.0 track casued many who were not qualified to get their MCSE 2K by only passing a few tests. Microsoft did this because there were not enough MCSE's under 2K. Microsoft could not brag about how many certs they had. Microsoft, next time, make up your mind and stick with it. You know that parents spank their kids when their kids tell them that they are going to do something and they do not do it. Spank... Spank Microsoft.

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Mike Newton Charlotte, NC

To me, the best part of this decision is that the MCSE+I title is not going away. It was a big deal to continue testing for this additional certification. I have completed my MCSE upgrade to 2000. The previous requirement to upgrade did not bother me personally, however I am very glad to be allowed to keep MCSE+I. Thank you!

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Ken Draper Orange, Ca

I agree that Microsoft made a good decision in regards to the NT 4.0 creditials. I gained my MCSE in 4.0 last Feburary after studying my butt off and was humbled at the fact that I would lose the creditial in less than a year. I am currently studying for the Accelerated Exam 70-240, and would love a little more time. I am sure I am not alone in this, I would encourage all other 4.0 MCSE's to write and let Microsoft know that we need more time on the accelerated test! I dont think this is asking to much, just a couple of months. Thank you.

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