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Decertifications for NT 3.51 MCPs

Seven thousand MCPs with NT 3.51 titles no longer certified as of June.

Although most MCPs hear the clock ticking on their credentials against a December 31 deadline, 7,326 people with Windows NT 3.51 titles lost those credentials at the end of June.

In that count, 30,804 MCSEs lost their titles, as did 34,628 people with the MCP+I title, and 2,424 possessing the MCSE+I credential. Since many certification candidates use the MCP+I title as a steppingstone to the MCSE, most of those decertifications affected the same group of people. The dramatic difference between the count of individuals and the count of MCSEs affected is a result of many of those same MCPs achieving additional certifications that keep them in the ranks of certified professionals.

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Dian L. Schaffhauser is a freelance writer based in Northern California.

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Reader Comments:

Sun, Feb 12, 2006 Michael Atlanta

Don't waste your time with Novell, Cisco or Oracle. Microsoft is to computing as English is to languge. If you want to speak Spanish then you'll be serving tables or hanging drywall. Nothing wrong with that, because I need both, but what I don't need is your opinion.

Mon, Sep 10, 2001 Anonymous Washington DC

I've already started my CISCO run with a CCNA certification. I'm a MCSE+I and I worked hard to get that status. But now by a Ill thought decision by Microsoft it is now useless....Maybe it a (money) thing.

Wed, Sep 5, 2001 Marcel Netherlands

I think decertification on NT 3.x is not bad. NT4 is another story: many companies are still using this version on a large scale. I think certification should be valid at least 3-4 years. However, it should not last forever.

Tue, Sep 4, 2001 Shane Kiser DC

There are 2 serious problems with the way Microsoft is handling the Recert process. The first is the timetable. Dec 31 2001 is not enough time and most organizations won't be fully cut over until at least 2003. I say Dec 31, 2002 is a better date so more people can get their hands on it and be comfortable with what it offers over NT 4.0. The second is the testing requirments. The idea of having to remain current is good but it should be one test not several. The Accelerated exam is a joke, it is not one test but 4 independent sections. Microsoft should count any section that you pass and give you an idea of where you need to work. I took the test and felt I did great on 3 of the 4 sections but I was not given any idea on my weaknesses. The integrity of the test is not compromised if you pass me where I pass and give me some comments when I am done. What is the passing score on that stupid test anyway?

Mon, Sep 3, 2001 din Anonymous

Almost all the vendors want recertification. BUt MS only forces a one-sit policy.

Sat, Sep 1, 2001 George Fort Lauderdale, FLorida

I think it's ridiculous of Microsoft to decertify, I am currently an MCSE with NT4.0. On Dec.31 I will not loose my knowledge of NT4.0. I understand the idea of keeping current, however there are many companies that still use and will continue to use NT4 for several more years. My suggestion to Microsoft is that you possibly rename the certification to reflect the certification more accurately, for example MSCE 3.51, MSCE 4.0, MSCE 2000, MCSE XP, ect. This is the proper way to handle future O/S advancements.

Sat, Sep 1, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Sorry but you are wrong Cisco certs expire in 3 years. I hate the fact that I might lose my MCSE because the deadline is coming too soon but certs are not degrees they must be updated to have a value in the marketplace

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

an mcse gets you an interview just as a degree does for anyone else, what you choose to do after that is up to you. If you continue to drudge forward with you certifications you are that much more valuable but only if you use them to your advantage.

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I am NT4 and W2K MCSE. I completed my W2k MCSE last year. Still I think that these are papers. I'm moving to Red Hat and Cisco where there are something hands-on to make my certification valuable. Also those don't expire as Microsoft does.

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I can't say Decertifications for NT 3.51 or NT 4.0 MCPs is true or false. But I can say all of them are NOT qualified your ability and professional position in Information Systems Engineering.
e.g. ACCA in Accounting. These are just a PAPER for nothing. Don't care about it too much. These are NOT worth to spent your time.

Wed, Aug 29, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

hmmm... I think the key issue here is the perception of people doing hiring. A couple of points:
(1) There definitely ARE a lot of paper MCSEs out there. One issue is that the earlier non-adaptive tests could be too easy; I got a near perfect score on the Win95 exam just by having read the Resource Kit and using good test-taking skills. Microsoft wants those people out of there.
(2) There is now a firm which offers an "NTCIP", which allows current MCSEs to maintain a certification. It's free if you have an NT 4 MCSE, and if you're almost there, they have theor own exams they give which allow to get an NTCIP.
(3)If you got an MCSE on NT 3.51 or NT4, no reason to yank it from your resume. Writing MCSE-NT4 establishes that you attained an MCSE on NT 4; cert expirations are nowhere nearly as limiting as driver's license expirations.
(4) I admit I don't like the idea of taking a whole slew of new tests; however, many professionals are used to continuing education. For IT work, rapid changes make this very important anyway.

Wed, Aug 29, 2001 Jack Swarthmore, PA

Certification does not qualify you for a job. Your ability to do the job is the qualification. I'm certified, but I was qualified long before Microsoft came up with the MCSE program. I know several people that are certified that have no business touching a computer, let alone running a network. Certification is fine, but it is your knowledge, ability, and professionalism that will let you get and keep jobs. I disagree with Microsoft decertifying MCP's and MCSE's on older operating systems. I would, however, support tagging the MCSE/MCP with a version level like Red Hat does. A Red Hat 7.0 certification is not the same as a Red Hat 7.2. You can upgrade if you chose, but you don't loose the certification just because Red Had releases another product. People work hard for thier MCSE/MCP certifications, they should not loose them at the whim of Microsoft.

Wed, Aug 29, 2001 Don Indiana

I agree with Mr. Baker when he said that other professions have requirements for education or they lose their classification. I want to be in an industry that will continue to grow and require that people in this industry keep up to date because that is where the real money is and it is a way to keep out the psudo geeks that are only in it for the money. I love to do the work and I enjoy the research part of the job but it isn't worth it if you aren't paid the commenserate amount. If this doesn't keep on then we will all be considered entry level. Keep changing the industry Microsoft, I like it that way.

Wed, Aug 29, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Do like I did and may a few others. Move on to the Cisco's CCNP.

Wed, Aug 29, 2001 David Baker Florida

The number of "professionals" out there crying about certification and decertification is sad. In nearly every other profession you need to recertify every year. They just call it CEU's, if you do not receive "x" amount of CEU's you are decertified and have to go through the whole certification process again. Microsoft time frame is 2-3 years for you to become current. If you are stuck in a 3.51 enviroment and are satified with that then if I were you I'd be praying nightly that I keep my jog. Because you will not make it on the open market with a 3.51 knowlege base.

Tue, Aug 28, 2001 Dario Moscoso Lima, Peru

I think the decertification progress is a wrong way to support Microsoft products, because many networks still use NT 3.51 or 4.0 as the base network operating system.

If you want to update your certificate in order to keep in touch with new technologies and trends, OK, but I think there´s no justification to kill a well-won certification, just keep the original certification, and if Microsoft wants to certify us with the lastest incarnation of their NOS, then just add the last certification to our profile sheet. I´m still certified as MCSE in NT 4.0, until Decembert 31. After that... what???. Microsoft, hear our opinions, we are supporting your most valuable product. Otherwise, Novell or Linux will gain beachheads !!!

Tue, Aug 28, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

It is useless certification anyway. Get re-certified every 2-3 years - it is not worth the trouble. This is not good for PR... Microsoft should chage the director...

Mon, Aug 27, 2001 Emeka Achebe-Okosieme Lagos Niigeriia

What is the reason for NT 3.51 MCP decertification if there are sites still using NT 3.51. Personally I feel that onces you have earned a certificate, it is yours for life. The only thing that can decertify you is the death of the product.

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