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BREAKING NEWS: MCP Program Takes New Road in September

Framework for "new generation" certifications to debut in September, beginning with SQL Server, Visual Studio.

(Minneapolis, Minn.) Changes are afoot in the Microsoft Certification Program that can be labeled as "evolutionary"; that is, changes to the certification process will be implemented over time, as newer technologies become generally available.

The first of those changes will occur among the SQL Server and Visual Studio products, which are planned for a major launch event in San Francisco on Nov. 7. Certification details for those programs will be posted around September on the Microsoft Certification Program Web site, according to Al Valvano, Microsoft Learning Group Program Manager. Valvano provided details of the revamped certification program plans during a Learning Solutions Workshop at the Worldwide Partner Conference in Minneapolis over the weekend.

According to Valvano, Microsoft will follow tradition, releasing exams for SQL Server 2005 and Visual Studio 2005 about 45 days after the release of the products to the general public. Those exams, however, won't fit into the traditional MCP schema that one might be familiar with. Instead, Microsoft will introduce a new framework for certification that will pair up a credential with a skill-identifying certification based on a tiered approach consisting of the following credentials:

  • Tier 1: Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist will require simply passing one to three exams based on a Microsoft technology. As products meet the end of the support lifecycle, its related exam will be retired.
  • Tier 2: Microsoft Certified IT Professional or Professional Developer require a Technology Specialist certification, plus one to three more exams, based on the requirement for a particular path. This tier is tied to job role at an organization, such as Database Developer or Business Intelligence. Recertification will be required to maintain status at this level.
  • Tier 3: Microsoft Certified Architect is a rigorous, board-level certification that requires recertification. Achieving Technology Specialist or IT Professional or Professional Developer certification not a prerequisite to attaining this level of certification.

Details for the third tier, Microsoft Certified Architect, were released back in April this year. (For more on the architect program, see "Microsoft Previews Board-Level Certification at TechMentor " at http://mcpmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=789.)

Microsoft is still hammering away at the details for the first two tiers, but Valvano provided a generous amount of what the group has developed thus far, via a presentation that diagrammed the new framework. It's obvious that the new program differs significantly from the current program.

How changes in the SQL Server and Visual Studio versions of the program will trickle down to the rest of the program, particularly in the MCSA and MCSE credentials, can only be a guess and Valvano didn't offer up any clues through the presentation, only showing that most of the information is 'to be decided.'

"We're prepared only to provide details on the SQL Server and Visual Studio programs," he reiterated.

Valvano explains that the "new generation" program is aimed at making it easier to identify the specific skills that an individual is capable of deploying (highlighted by the Technology Specialist) and the type of job role that individual can fulfill (IT Professional or Professional Developer). The new-gen certification will be composed of a credential and skill-identifying certification (see Figure 1). So, at the first tier in the new plan, a cert candidate might achieve several versions of Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist to highlight as many skills as possible. The skills will be listed to the right of the Technology Specialist logo.

New Logo Program Structure
Figure 1. To the right side of the new Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist logo, each skill will be listed as required exams are completed for each specialty. (Click image to view larger version. Source: Microsoft Corp.)

Some time in December, Microsoft hopes to be able to offer the initial Technology Specialist titles for SQL Server 2005 and Visual Studio 2005. Other technologies, such as BizTalk Server 2006 (next in line) and Longhorn (much further away, in late 2006) will go online when those products are eventually released.

At the next tier is the Professional Series, either the IT Professional and Professional Developer. These titles will also require an extra set of one to three exams. The Microsoft Certified IT Professional is the likely title to make a comparison to the current MCSE program, but the difference is apples to oranges. The goal here is to provide a title that defines the individual's job role within an organization. Valvano provided an example for SQL Server 2005, which showed certifications for three specific job roles that a SQL Server expert might perform: Database Administrator, Database Developer, or Business Intelligence Developer. Even with the roles being distinct ones, a candidate can conceivably opt to attain all three.

Microsoft currently has plans to provide an upgrade path for current MCDBAs on SQL Server 2003 to Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Database Administrator. Valvano says the path will consist of passage of two exams (see Figure 2).

Upgrade path for MCAD, MCSD, MCDBAs
Figure 2. Microsoft will provide a two-exam upgrade path for MCDBAs on SQL Server 2000 who want to prove SQL 2005 proficiency via the Microsoft Certified IT Professional title. Two exams also will be required for MCSDs upgrading to the Microsoft Certified Professional Developer: Enterprise Application Developer title. Only one exam will be required for MCADs upgrading to the newer Windows and Web versions of the Microsoft Certified Professional Developer titles. (Click image to view larger version. Source: Microsoft Corp.)

 

Certification roadmap
Figure 3. Roadmap from current credentials to new generation credentials. The path upward from MCSA and MCSE is still TBD for another year. (Click image to view larger version. Source: Microsoft Corp.)

The Professional Developer credential is similar in some ways to its predecessor MCSD title, except that candidates can distinguish between Web-enabled or Windows-enabled development paths. And the Professional Developer Series does one better than the MCSD, by offering an additional Enterprise Application Developer job role.

So, What Happens with My MCSE?
Candidates working toward an MCSE or MCSA title might be wondering if their current certification efforts will become useless. Will the current title retire? Should candidates drop everything and wait for Microsoft to introduce the Longhorn version of the certification under the new program framework?

"[The MCSE/MCSA/MCDBA titles] are not going away and those continue to remain valid, just like there are people who continue to certify on Windows 2000," says Valvano. He does acknowledge that there will be an upgrade path to the new certification program from the current ones (see Figure 3), but says that development on the preliminary framework hasn't even begun, as much depends on what's in Longhorn. And Longhorn is still more than a year from delivery.

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Reader Comments:

Sat, Sep 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous

JAJA, UPYACHKA! UG NE PROIDET, BLYA!

Tue, Mar 20, 2007 Paul Aveiro

"Microsofts way at making more money." Please, do grow up.

Fri, Sep 15, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Microsoft is right on point I have three MCSE and in this market It all but insures that I will always be employed,lets all be serious MCSE 2000 cleaned all the paper guys they all went to truck driving,nursing,or are cooks.

I know I taught paper MCSE 4.0 and the 2000 exams blew them away.

Fri, May 26, 2006 kalyan hyderabad

i need more information about microsoft sql server certification and details with topics

Wed, Oct 26, 2005 MS not listening Anonymous

MS people dont listen at all. In this job market, where people are burned out, they continue to milk the MCSE. We sold their produxts for years only to have more and more tests thrown at us. Those upgrade tests are nothing more than the same concepts over and over with tricky wording to get you to fail. If you really want to change the program thats fine, just make one upgrade test on "New" concepts and I will be fine with it.

Wed, Oct 26, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Thanks, Microsoft! Every year in work I have to submit a Professional Development Plan for myself and since I got on the Certification treadmill it's been easy to write up goals for the year. Now I just write that I'm going to take courses, read manuals, and study for and pass 2 tests this year. Furthermore, I don't mind studying for the tests to keep up to date and see what I might be missing. My MCSD certification (updated since VB5) so far hasn't earned me a dime extra but it's forced me to keep on top of the technology. And that's not a bad thing.

Wed, Oct 26, 2005 OKORO DANIEL NIGERIA

i want to have a copy of your magaZINE

Tue, Oct 25, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

No use of Certifications it is all useless bull**** stuff, waste of time and money only, and after all frustration. No body will hire you, unless you have real experience. These companies are clever, they are making money out of us and promoting their stuffs for free and we are the fools to become their victims without any benefits.
Certificates are useless piece of paper looks good on CV-MCSE voice

Tue, Oct 25, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

I've worked with so many people who memorize enough to pass the test but have no concept of what they are doing, and then they come to me for the answers. It makes me sick. They get the "credit" for being certified yet they can't perform the work. (This is not meant to detract from those certified professsionals who really do know what they are doing).
NO, all the certification means is that you can read a book or go through a bootcamp and remember enough to pass a test. It does nothing as far as demonstrating that an individual HAS a skill and can PERFORM the work.

Mon, Oct 3, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

OK, it's October and I can't find any more details. Does anyone know anything more?

Fri, Sep 30, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

September is over.....where is it?

Wed, Sep 21, 2005 Hello Anonymous

Well, here we go again. Upgrade to something else that won't be called MCSE. One paid test was required for NT4 to W2K, and then two paid tests were needed for W2K to 2003. I guess at least three paid tests will be needed. What should we do? Find a company that covers the cost of the tests.

Thu, Sep 8, 2005 MrT Anonymous

Nice one Bill O'Sullivan! I have an MCSD Visual Studio 6.0 certification and have found that it has opened doors for me in the past. My MCSD also improved my productivity and the effectiveness of my solutions while using VB6.0.

While I have come across developers who had these qualifications but could not write good applications, I have found these people to be the exceptions to the rule. On the whole an MCSD or other Microsoft certification is a good indication of a persons level of competency in using Microsoft tools and technologies.

Since Microsoft technologies are also constantly evolving, it also makes sense that the certifications evolve too.. thus providing a measure to employers to determine who the most suitable job candidates are. If you got to keep your old certifications then the value of the certification would eventually devalue over time.

I will definitely be upgrading to the new certifications.

Fri, Sep 2, 2005 milk us dry

wow .. five year cyle .... another set then (with of course some new flashy cerification title) come 2010 ... ?

Mon, Aug 22, 2005 SQL Man UK

Until experience based qualifications come about then these exams are still worthless. Too many times I come across people certified up who can't do the job.

Sun, Aug 21, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

LOL.. PAPER certs.. dont mean anything... erm what am I saying I got a $6000 per year bonus cos of i just got certified ... guess it means something real to my bank manager and my mortgage.

Sat, Aug 20, 2005 RENEGADEMCSE Anonymous

Microsoft. quit with the bull%$@ standard certification exams and just come out with a lab based certification like Cisco's CCIE. It's the perfect way to weed out the braindumpers.
On a side note, have you noticed that many of the current exams are full of misleading and ambiguous questions that are more a test of reading comprehension than technical skill? And Microsoft claims that their exams are psychometrically sound. Yeah, right. Think about it folks, Microsoft doesn't do anything new unless they make a buck off of it, and Microsoft certification is big bucks. They could give a rat's behind whether or not you make it in your career. It's the American way.

Sat, Aug 13, 2005 yamam dubai

i want to know more about the certifcation please

Tue, Aug 9, 2005 Marty P. Wellington, New Zealand

It is a great comfort to observe here, also, that humanity is alive and well and living in the animosity displayed by what one could only describe as threatened non-certified individuals. IT is not an exclusive domain (that would be as arrogant as saying that rugby is owned by New Zealand and no-one else is allowed to play) but open to all who want to arm themselves with technology and its development. We are, after all, supposed to be life-long learners. Where this course of study, however, leads us is another story. The relevance of any self-study or training takes on a very different reality when doing it vocasionally. It is here when it is up to an employer to recognise talent, work ethic and drive of a prospective candidate and make a decision whether to employ or not.
When there is such furious objection to something as private as someone else's professional development, then it raises questions about insecurity, fear, apathy and a raft of other possible problems we have when we make other people's business our own.
The solution is simple and non-intrusive on others:
If you are not experienced, get the first job and work at it and embrace the learning cliff. Benefit from those who have been in the industry. It's good to be part of a supportive team.

If you are not certified, get some material and get more intimately familiar with the technology you are supposed to be supporting anyway. Things do change and you need to know when this happens. Embrace the learning cliff (definitely NOT a curve) and apply it to the industry and thereby bolstering your own professionalism and integrity.

Tue, Aug 2, 2005 John Illinois

I also agree with people who have studied for MCSE and I know how hard it is and the amount of hours you sit and practice and prepare for the exams. If you are just preparing to pass it then it is of no use. But, if you have the intention of really upgrading the skills it is definitely worth it. I am also tired of hearing people who whine when they cannot do it or they find other colleagues who are certified. And whenever a certified person comes on the job they think he is book certified which is wrong. Please, I am spending more than 18 hours a day to sit and finish my certification by practicing and also going through webcasts and materials. So, those who just sit there and talk about Microsoft certification, please just keep quiet. If you do not know the value of it and how hard it is, then don't talk.

Go Microsoft........... Whatever you say, even though I am finding it hard to update my skills, I still prefer to sit and study and practice and work hard to get my certification. It not only improves my skillset but also I can accomplish a lot because I know many things since I am certified.

Goodluck to those MCSEs and wanting to be MCSEs.

Mon, Jul 25, 2005 Skeptic Skeptic

I’m really not impressed by people with MCSE. There are MCSE boot camps (3 weeks of full time study). The only thing you have to learn are the answers from training guides “Brain dumps”
I know a person with MCSE and he has never seen a computer before “as a figure of speech”. He is a waiter in a restaurant and he has no experience what so ever with computers.

A real Computer Science study is four or five years of full time study, not 3 weeks with Brain dumps! You also have to know what is behind a shell. :-)
For example.
Calculate the chromatic dispersion over optical fiber (Computer Science study). Not what’s fiber channel (MCSE). That’s the difference!!!!!

Mon, Jul 25, 2005 Mark Sullivan Boston, MA

Microsoft Exams MCSE is just too good in term of professionalism, I have got my MCSE since NT was release in 1995, I have re-certified three times just to upgrade my skills to modern day tech requirement, for you folkes just get up and do something to turn your life for better, MCSE is one of the best solution to IT career, don't listen to empty critics.

Mon, Jul 25, 2005 Somebody Somebody

You cannot compare a bachelor or Master of Science degree (five years full time study) with MCSE.
I can’t believe that managers will look first for Microsoft certificates. MCSE is just for fun. Somebody with a real degree in Computer Science can work with any operating system like (UNIX, Microsoft Windows, Open VMS, etc). A shell is just a shell. It's just like making a program If you know the basics then there is no problem with any programming language.



Fri, Jul 22, 2005 tmack Wash, DC

Yeah right! Try getting an interview in this town without any certs. You won’t. I think employers look for certs first, a degree second. If you have neither, you won’t get an interview. If you have one or the other, you probably still will not get an interview. They use these two credentials to filter the pool of candidates. If 3,000 applicants respond to one job posting, how else would they narrow the list of applicants to a reasonable number? Getting certified is definitely worth it and really mandatory in my opinion.

Thu, Jul 21, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

There are people with a MCSE degree without any knowledge of computer systems or software. You do not have to know how to solve a problem.
It’s just remembering the answers or facts from training programs such as Transcender or CramMaster. It’s really a peace of cake! Leave the thinking :-)
It’s all commercial bullshit from Microsoft.
Remember: A real degree in Computer Science is a degree for life!!

Thu, Jul 21, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

I am considering certification, and plan to wait until the new tests are available. Will Microsoft update its books, or is this to much to ask ;-)

Wed, Jul 20, 2005 Paper certs Anonymous

I agree with Bill O'Sullivan in this reply post string. A college degree is also just a “paper” degree as well as passing a State Bar exam to practice law is also just a “paper”. Does a cert mean you have experience by default? Of course not, but neither does a degree but both prove that not only are you willing to put in the time but that you understand the information that pertains to the job you are seeking. In fact, just like the Bar exam does.
Furthermore in 2005 how many of us will have 10 years experience with .Net 2.0? zero. In this industry it doesn’t help to have 10 years experience on VB6 if they are looking for your knowledge in .Net. Yes 10 years experience in developing helps learn new platforms easier but one still needs to actually learn it regardless of if they have 1 month of 100 years experience.

I have heard that in some industries such as medical doctors are required to teach in colleges for some parts of their later professional career. If IT industry did something like that to maintain a board certificate colleges when it comes to IT would not be so much of a disaster zone.

Tue, Jul 19, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Hey ... if a 10 year old can earn an MCSE... (do the math)

Tue, Jul 19, 2005 Chris Manila

Its a big, trash, Bill Gates and Co. Wants more Money

Tue, Jul 19, 2005 Steve Powell Anonymous

This will certainly give employers a better idea of the individual they are considering for an IT position. Mr. O'Sullivan, the attacks being made against certs aren't against all certs. There are people in this world that are doing the reading and taking the tests without any hands on experience. These people go into the workplace with very little to offer, at first. They have to be hand-held through most everything they do. So it's frustrating to those of us with certs, that achieved our certs after getting our hands-on experience. That's why they call them "paper" MCSE's. I will upgrade as well. Employers like to people working at making them selves better. Even if it comes out of our own pocketbooks. As far as Microsoft goes, don't bite the hand that feeds you. If it weren't for MS, there's be a lot less people to hire in IT. Nuff said.

Tue, Jul 19, 2005 T-Bone Canada

Glad to see that MS is trying to restablish some credibility into their certification programs. Right now MCSE is not worth much as all the braindumpers/cheaters have made it so worthless that many companies require MCSE for entry level positions.

Mon, Jul 18, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

This is another crock of s*** from Microsoft. I've been an MCSE from NT 4.0 to 2003. Now another track and another load of $$$$ and time to spend on the treadmill. I'm stepping off. Good luck!

Mon, Jul 18, 2005 exMCSD Anonymous

I was a MCSD. I am not playing microsft's game anymore. Microsoft is loosing on the web development side anyway

Sat, Jul 16, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

People still don't know what an MCSE certification is, this will just add to the confusion.
oh for those that don't know, MCSE is some useless certification that M$ came up with to make more money. Don't waste your money on this rubish.

Sat, Jul 16, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

TO HOST or AUTHOR:

Can a Microsoft Certified Professional Developer seek a specialization as a Business Intelligence Developer?

Fri, Jul 15, 2005 N.S. PR

And by the way...you won't "lose" your certifications. They are still valid even with the changes to be implemented later this year. If anything, be more responible and DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Read what's really going on and then make educated remarks.

Fri, Jul 15, 2005 N.S. PR

I am a Microsoft Training consultant for a Gold Partner. The new MS cetification track is going to be a great thing for individuals with experience, but have thought that certification was too expensive and time constricting. I love this new concept of specializing in the area YOU work with, instead of bits and pieces of technologies you might not have to manage. Stop complaining about MS doing this to make more money. The reality is that MS is more in sync with what IT professionals need and thus developed a more effective way to get cetified. Those of you who have limited experience will benefit tremendously with the new certification structure. Now more than ever, you have the power to decide in what direction you want to go.

Fri, Jul 15, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

In 1999 and up to 2001 I was making a lot of money - over 100,000 in a year with some contracts paying 1800day - I was turning down a lot of work at 600day or less - nowadays, a MCSE-MCT is lucky to get 400 per day and the jobs are very far and few between. I believe that the good days are gone forever and there is no MS quick fix by changing exams and titles. Bay area private and public school enrollments in IT are way down and a lot of them have dropped IT related programs. I have been certified for many years and paid my MCT fees for years but am questioning the value of continuing due to lack of demand and income.

Fri, Jul 15, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

So I guess what this is saying is STOP! I just finished my MCAD in route to my MCSD. Why waste the time and money to work on another certification that is going away. I'm now officially confused with the entire certification process.

Fri, Jul 15, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

bad news, very bad...only money

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 John Bales Temple, TX

MS should spend a little more time on the new MCP program. It appears that there is already confusion between IT Professional and the "Developer" credential. If MS plays nice and allows those of us or employers that spent a lot of time and money on certifications to do an automatic lateral shift to the new credential. Then of course new platforms require us all to upgrade ours certs as always. Just an idea on how to handle the problem of showing what credential you have and what skills go with it: How about do it similar to like they do in the Navy. This will be good for the days when we are supporting systems on spacecraft...come on NASA... get with the program. Rate (Designator and Platform) and Rank (Experience Level). Years 0-1 (Microsft Certified Technology Specialist) MCTSv.1 (v.1 = NT 4.0, v.2 = 2K, etc.) Level 1,2,3 (each level is a year in the industry) EXAMPLE: so I have just got out of High School and I took all of the Longhorn tests(3) to be a MCDST: John Doe MCTS(Desktop Specialist)v4 Level 0 Years 2-9 (Microsft Certified IT Professional) MCIPv.3 (v.1 = NT 4.0, v.2 = 2K, etc.) Level 1,2,3 (each level is a is year in the industry) EXAMPLE: so I have just got out of College and have two years of experience and I took all of the Longhorn tests(5) to be a MCSA:Security: John Doe MCIP(MCSA:Security)v4 Level 2
Years 10-retirement Microsoft Certified Architect. Your number of years in the industry automatically determines if you are a MCTS, MCIP(or Developer), or Architect Although not completely thought out (Naming convention could be improved or shortened) this type of scheme would last for many years to come. Comments? To Microsoft:If my idea is used, is not free :)

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 tomax7 Anonymous

Well, whether or not Engineers get bent out of shape is another issue. There are different kinds of engineers. What I wish Microsoft would do is just put a number behind the designation. That way one could see how much experience they have. Such as MCSE1 for NT4, MCSE2 for W2K, MCSE3 for 2003 and so on. That would be more beneficial than TIER. Those older OS's are still around and should have some way to distinguish them by cerification for employeers. Most look for the MCSE designation to start with, why confuse the issue more?

cheers
tom
tomax7.com

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Unbelievable. You strive to achieve the long path of all certifications, and bam.... there is a whole new tract to do. They are making the money, these days we cant.

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 AD Adelaide

Ok, here's a real twister.... back in the MCSD v6 days, I could have entertained the 70-019 exam to reflect coverage of SQL 7.0 OLAP design and implementation.... in the new world order, there appears to be a BI Developer specialisation under the MCITP (MCSE/MCDBA umbrella).... can others under the MCPD (new MCSD umbrella) also attain the BI Developer designation, or, is this exclusive to MCITP? Seems odd to me that not every developer designation is available to MCPDs.... how will BizTalk developers be categorised? As MCITPs or MCPDs... ?It seems they are developers too...

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Tom D. Atlanta

It seems legit to me that professionals would need to keep up to date on new products and technologies. I would like to see MS support current MCSE's with free software everytime there's a new OS. It would be a trivial expense for them and a big help for us.

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Rich Anonymous

Okay, so if I'm working towards an MCSD currently, but I wont have a chance to earn it completely until February or so...will the old certs still be obtainable 45 days after the November 7th launch, when the new certs come out? (I'd then try the 2 test upgrade).

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Yes! Yes! Yes! Hallelujah!
No more crossover between the MCDBA-MCSE-MCSD certs! Now, if you want to call yourself a DBA, you have to earn it separately from your MCSE or MCSD. No more dilution of the DBA cert! Finally!

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Howard Roberts Fayetteville, AR

Finally a way to recognize individuals that stay current with new product developments. I've been an MCSE since NT 3.5 and have updated through each version including 2003, but I still find myself lumped under the same umbrella of MCSE with people who haven't updated in a decade. Anyone that joined the MCSE community without expecting to be required to stay current with new technologies was delusional.

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Alex Ohio

There should be more of a distinction of the different fields, by initials just like the they are today. I am a MCSE and a MCSA, everyone knows what that it. Now if I say I am a “MIP” who known what am? I am a Microsoft something? So now what do you list after your name - - John Dow, MIP of Longhorn Pro, Longhorn Server, Security, and Design. - - John Dow MCSE - - - works fine for me. Every know I am a network engineer from client to server to design. A not to Microsoft: - - -You are never going to achieve the notoriety of Cisco’s CCIE… STOP trying! Keep thing concise! Do not generalize me as a MCSE in with DBA’s helpdesk folks or any other MS certified someone. Did you ask your audience about you “brain child” evolution of the MCP program? I have been an MCSE from the start I don’t like it!

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Anonymous Richmond

I think this is good but to make everyone upgrade there certification just because you change the title is stupid. MCAD should map directly to a new title without taking another exam. People are going to complain because if I'm reading this right MCAD,MCSD.NET will no longer be valid titles come September. What is going to happen to the partners who employees have these certs? Will they be force to upgrade are lose their partnership?

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Daniel; Ememere London

Microsoft Exams MCSE is just too good in term of professionalism, I have got my MCSE since NT was release in 1995, I have re-certified three times just to upgrade my skills to modern day tech requirement, for you folkes just get up and do something to turn your life for better, MCSE is one of the best solution to IT career, don't listen to empty critics.

Thu, Jul 14, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Microsoft Exams MCSE is just too good in term of professionalism, I have got my MCSE since NT was release in 1995, I have re-certified three times just to upgrade my skills to modern day tech requirement, for you folkes just get up and do something to turn your life for better, MCSE is one of the best solution to IT career, don't listen to empty critics.

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Alien Mother Earth

A vicious cycle to predictably and consistently engaging resources from the willing to serve and maintain the growing momentum of the supplier industry.

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Bill O'Sullivan Springfield, IL

I am so tired of some of you people talking about paper MCSE's and a lack of respect: I have three MCSE's, among other certs, and I guarantee you people respect this.

I ask all of you individuals that equate certifications to paper to offer up research findings and objective evidence. If you cannot, please go somewhere hot and remain silent, I am tired of you making up complaints to explain your lack of motivation and sloth.

Get certified or do not, but just quit whining; if you can do you job, that's what matters most, and your boss will determine that.

We have to adapt to change because our positions dictate that: my Microsoft training has paid off well, and I will upgrade, because it has always aided me in my current position.

Semper Fi!

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Angry Anonymous

You money hungry people just dont quit do you. Why change the titles? So basically they found a way to outdate the letters for the certs. Its still the same thing only now the stupid head hunter wont want to know you unless you have the right letters. First they help lead the charge overseas and then they want to milk us dry even more. Hey MS, people didnt get certified in 2003 not just because I didnt mean anything but because there are no jobs. You would have to be an idiot to go after a whole new MS cert.

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Scott AZ

So does the recertifying then eliminate the "versioned" certifications? For instance, an MCSD on VStudio 6.0 is still an MCSD, it's just versioned. Maybe they don't use .NET, so there's not yet a need to upgrade their cert. But what happens to the MCSD/Microsoft Certified Professional Developer that decides not to "recertify" because they don't use the latest and greatest dev tools? Do they lose their cert totally? Or can they just remain on the older technology and recertify on the old dev tools?

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Too little too late - the damage was done by all the paper MCSE's during the dotcom boom. I can't think of anyone that actually repects these certs anymore. That being said, I have thm because my comany paid for them and they may come in handy if my resume passes in front of someone unable to judge talent without seeing letters.

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 chris Dallas, TX

I think that want Microsoft is doing is great for IT, because it will elimate all of these paper certified professionals. And since everyone thinks that they are developers this will truely separates the best from the rest...

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Twinklez TX

This is just another way of Microsoft making money; especially where recertification is required. The previous certifications along with well documented, proven experience is well enough for a hiring entity to determine a candidate's skills and abilities!

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

A step in the right direction-- no more stepping on the toes of Professional Engineers.... although I think it may be somewhat confusing for Database & BI Developers being considered IT Professionals and not Developers.... They should have simply went with Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist and allowed for a wide range of specializations.... or, they should have put a little more thought into distinctly branding the database professional path separately from IT pros and developers...

Wed, Jul 13, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Microsofts way at making more money. Certification is NOT commanding the money it use too so why do it ? CISCO BABY

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