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Training, Certification Contribution Lower in 2003

Although Microsoft's 2003 fiscal first-quarter revenue has risen in all areas, the training and certification group contribution to server segment revenue has dropped 18 percent.

Microsoft's training and certification group contributed 18 percent less to the company's overall revenue in the server segment. This, according to Microsoft's quarterly 10-Q report to the Securities and Exchanges Commission.

"Training, certification, Microsoft Press and other services declined 18% from the September quarter of fiscal 2002," according to the report, "as a result of lower volumes of training certifications and a weak computer book market."

Training and certification revenue is included in a segment that Microsoft calls "Server Platforms." This segment encompasses revenue from server software licenses and client access licenses for Windows Server, SQL Server, and other server software, as well as BackOffice/Core CALs, developer tools, training, certification, Microsoft Press, Premier product support services, and Microsoft consulting services. Server Platforms revenue was $1.63 billion, an increase of 13 percent from last year.

Microsoft reported $7.75 billion in overall revenue for the 2003 first quarter, which was an increase of 26 percent over the 2002 first quarter. The 2003 fiscal first quarter runs from July 1 to Sept. 30, 2002. The report is available at http://www.microsoft.com/msft/sec/FY03/10Q03_1.doc.

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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous

Hello,

I had a question, I am really tired of my current job, Correctional Officer . I am not getting younger 42.
Computers have been my passion for the last 20 years , what is the basic cert class that would enable me to get on a help desk , low paying job to get experience ?

Thank you

Jeff

Mon, Dec 9, 2002 CD Dallas

I have been in the computer/IT industry for 18 years. (before certs). I have had to interview many paper techs, and without fail they all expect 50k or more with no real world experience. (I always look for experience first and certs second.) I blame this on the claims the training companies make, regarding guaranteed certification and mammoth salaries.
Training has become an industry in and of itself. One more thing that rode the back of the .com boom/bust. The salaries are definitely declining in the IT field and from an economic perspective it is no longer a good ROI on training if your trying to break into the IT market. Training entities need to lower the price of training. Many employers today see an MCSE as a low end cert and often times require it even for a bench tech making 18k a year. I would hate to have spent 10k on training for an 18k job in an over populated field with declining salaries.

Thu, Dec 5, 2002 Anonymous Houston, Texas

I firmly believe that certifications AND experience get you in the door. However, as an independent trainer, I am footing the whole bill myself when it comes to training and certification. I resent the fact that I am required to update or upgrade every time that Microsoft updates or upgrades their operating systems. I work in education and even though I am required to have an MCT credential, the district that I work for does not have the money to pay for training or certification exams. Public Education looks at it as 'do you need it to perform your job'. Most of the time, the response is no because they have a liscensed certified teacher and they feel that anyone can be placed in my position to do my job. They also feel that as long as I know the material, there is no need to update my skills. So, I am left spending my money for training and for my certification exams. It's very expensive when you are footing the whole bill yourself. I am working towards the CTT+ and plan on not renewing my MCT certification. From this point forward I will no longer be focusing on Microsoft Certifications. I will be going towards vendor neutral and getting as much hands on experience as possible. With current technology changing as rapidly as most people change underwear, I feel that real world experience and vendor neutral exams are the way to go to secure the job that you want. Then, IF the company that you work for wants you to have it, then they should be responsible for paying for it. I believe that Microsoft is selfish and greedy and that they only care about the bottom line.

Thu, Dec 5, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Bad news for everyone, especially for the guys who are forced to take upgrade tests again.

Fri, Nov 29, 2002 nikolay sliven-bulgaria

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Thu, Nov 28, 2002 KO Canada

I will not take another exam after the new MCT fees being charged. I teach and work in the industry. I am currently learning LINUX to replace all my MS products.

P.S You win MS you have made it too tough to be an MCSE,MCT but only from a financial point of view.

Tue, Nov 26, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

If you look at the demise of the MCT cert you can see where things are heading. The MCT used to garner some real respect in the industry. Unfortunately, respect and profits are mutually exclusive in the MS world today. If you have a measurable heartbeat and can read out loud you can teach at a CTEC. The profit margin on training is enormous and if you're in a large enough market area you don't need to worry about repeat business (or cash refunds). Quality is job none.......

Tue, Nov 26, 2002 Mike D Florida

I'll tell you what really irks me is when MS comes out and says if you have one of the major certs(MCSE, MCDBA, MCSD), then you can teach anything, whether you have passed the cert test or not. Talk about rewarding mediocrity! I even e-mailed them and asked them why in the world would I continue to spend all this money and time to take tests and certify on courses if I can teach them any way? Now the CTEC's can use their own in-house staff(cheap and no experience or knowledge) to teach the MOC courses. And people wonder what happened to training. People like myself who actually do the work and certify on the courses are not rewarded. I use several training companies, like The Training Associates to get training work, and they always want the course taught at a ridiculous price and there is never more than a couple of students in their classes! This is certainly turning into a joke for me. I have Sharepoint Portal Server, Cluster, Exchange, SQL, etc. and they want these classes taught for $1500.00 a week. Like there are thousands of MCT's out there who know these Servers and will teach them for this rate. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

Tue, Nov 26, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

The certifications from MS are not designed for entry level people. Unfortunately, they did nothing to prevent inexperienced people from diluting the certification in NT4. I have taked a few W2K exams and found them more technical and analytical. The current cert numbers are getting more to the point of demonstrating determination and experience.

Tue, Nov 26, 2002 my@ss your@ss

Phuckin' what?

Tue, Nov 26, 2002 WeebleWoble_45/70 Anchorage

Here's the deal folks.
Degree at a University, extremely expensive
MCSE training, still pretty high but do-able
Studying on your own at your own pace with technet and other online support at only 125/test?.....priceless.

I took the instructor led training for the MCSE on NT4. 12 people started, 8 people finished and 2 of us got our MCSE's. It's not easy folks. No matter how you look at it. The reason there are so many is everyone likes money and as soon as they hear 70K they sh!t themselves and go for it. You gotta have interview skills as well. If you suck at interviewing, don't blame MS. My NT4 MCSE took an extreme amount of studying and Instructor lead training do to only just starting out in IT. After about a year being in the field. I self studied my 2000 MCSE because my company wouldn't pay for training understanding that so many people have done it without official courses and by doing it after work, they're not dealing with any of the expenses.....not with them anymore. Self studying is an option folks and don't do it for the money. Do it because you were born to help people and you like technology. If you go in it just for the money, you got about a 1% chance of making it. The market's gettin' saturated folks. You either gotta be really really good, quick, and stay in the front, or its gonna be a rough long road.

Tue, Nov 26, 2002 RCC Jacksonville

Certs may not be the key to getting a job, but I see it as the key that WILL open the door that has all the jobs behind it. Meanwhile, I am getting all the certs that I can get. It only makes sense that the more doors that you can open, eventually something good will come my way..

Mon, Nov 25, 2002 Michael Clark Sacramento Ca

Every year I hear a lot of BS about the pay, it's not that high, I'll give you that. An I cannot afford the training classes. I have a simple formula, work hard, study (thats right pick up a book), work on the platform for at least a year before you test. Testing exposes you to things I wuld never cover in day to day operations. I am a MCSE/MCDBA/MCSD/MCP+I and also certified in JSP, Project managment, Data Warehousing, Java and C/C++, whatever the people who pay me, expect me to know. after 6 years I make $85,000. I started out at $5000 that first year. Microsoft, Novell, Orical, they are not responsible for your success you are. period.

Mon, Nov 25, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Well i stated out with 2 + years exp. in Visual Basic i never I got the MCSD cert. for VB 6 but this VB.NET is looking pretty good. My current comany is willing to increase my pay by 40% of my current salary $55,000

Mon, Nov 25, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I've never been certified, nor earned my degree. But I've spent my last 4 years working in the computer industry, and specifically the last 2 in IT. During that time, I've worked with both people who have certs as well as people who have just certs and no experience. And I will say this - people who only carry the paper without the experience are noticably less able to perform functions and analyze problems quickly. I'm currently pursuing my MCSA, partially so I can splash a couple of acronyms on my resume. However, that being said, actually studying a lot of book-facts does help to get a better picture and I think it's benefited me personally, even though I've been working with NT and 2K constantly for the past 2 years. Of course, some of the information just isn't practical in a lot of IT environments...but it helps a lot on foundation. But that's all certs are - basics. You don't learn to drive by reading a book.

Mon, Nov 25, 2002 NT4 MCSE NY

Ceritifications will get you the interview, but to exceed the only thing that will help you is experience. LITTLE ADVICE, stay away from big companies. You'll get lost with the help desk rats. Find a job with a small consulting firm. You'll get thrown in with the servers in no time. The only way to survive is to learn. With a couple of years experience you'll be able to write your own ticket. Good Luck to all.

Mon, Nov 25, 2002 Anonymous KY

Most of you are missing the point entirely. Having a certification is like having a degree, it will get you into the interview and past the requirements to be able to be hired. If you don't know enough or have enough experience to do the job that is no one's fault but your own.

Mon, Nov 25, 2002 Dan New York

I have found the vendor certifications to be a waste of time and will not pursue them any longer. Every manager and colleague I have spoken with feels that your experience supersedes any certification you may hold. This in addition to Microsoft’s attempt to decertify MCSE’s has caused me to abandon my pursuit of vendor certifications. Instead, I am pursuing a degree in Information Technology. At least my degree will not expire and be subject to a vendor’s desire for a perpetual revenue stream. Besides, HR departments don’t always know what the certifications mean, but they all know what a bachelors or masters degree is.

Sun, Nov 24, 2002 NotAWhiner Anonymous

This is a very tight job market. I get a response (not an interview, a response) from about 1 in 10 resumes I send out. A friend who is a recruiter says she gets more than 300 resumes per posted job. Unlike most recruiters, she actually reads all 300 (and like most, she gives around 60 seconds consideration to each). Degrees, certifications, experience, references, timeliness and even the language of your cover letter are used to determine whether to even consider you for an interview. The market has gone from being unable to find 3 candidates for any position to having 300 in a short period. If you are lacking in even one area, there are tens or hundreds of people who aren't. If you're having trouble getting an interview, revise your resume. Get more experience by volunteering for a local charity. Maybe set your sights lower, temporarily. DO something.

Sun, Nov 24, 2002 mike NJ

I'm tired of hearing about how much traning $$$ or is it valuable? or who really cares? or I don't make $$$ with all my certs.

Training and certification are no golden ticket! There is no Santa Clause people!

Training and certs have as much "value" as you put into them. For me, I put a lot of personal value into training and certs. I don't care if my employer pays for my exam or any books. I'm happy to pay for them myself. Why? Because I value the skills and knowledge I gain at a personal level from them. I gain a lot of personal satisfaction from passing exams and reading about and training for exams.

The personal satisfaction and sense of accomplishment are all I need. When an employer wants to "chip in" or recognizes my certs, that's bonus for me.

And if you ask, yes, certs have made a difference I believe in some cases when hunting for a new position. But, it didn't make all the difference. My certs weren't my golden ticket. My skills, knowledge and professionalism are what make me succesful in my career.

Sat, Nov 23, 2002 Rich Chicago

I realized were the whole Certification thing was going when the Win Arc exams retired shortly after completion. I found that certs get you in the door thats all. Several points to consider. Microsoft does not hire people with microsoft certifications. I should rephrase that. They do not hire people based on their MS certs. That should say it all. I found that the www.iccp.org (vendor nuetral) certifications were worth more than any MS certification. I realized this when asking about consideration factors after being hired. Maybe the market is starting to realize that MS is not the only option. I have seen a big push in the last several months toward evaluating Open Source alternatives. Its about time. This is from a developer point of view. As for MCSE I feel for you guys and gals. I only have one thing on my mind when I think of MCSE it is CNA.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 David Anonymous

I think that cert. is a valuable tool. One just needs to remember that it is a tool and needs to be treated as such. My cert. got me a interview my interview skills got me the job. (please note that I had zero real world experience) I truly believe without the cert. they would not have been willing to give me a chance to show them what I could do for them. So spend the money, get certified and remember that it's only a tool to help you prove your worth, not a miracle money maker.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I am sick and tired of the certifications. I have MCSD/MCDBA/MCSE+Internet but I don't have a damn job! Anyone wanna hire me email to rainnight@excite.com!

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Aamir Pervez Pakistan

I have done MCSE and now have to upgrade from time to time. I think that MS should lower the Paper prices bcoz higher prices are a bit kind of a obsticle in upgrading papers.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 New MCSE that needs a foo Anonymous

How do I get on the job experience when no one will hire me without on the job experience?

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 J Fitch Roch NY

This is a tuff market for training period..not just IT or Microsoft. I have towed the company line for the past 5 years as an MCSE/MCT but this year I decided to jump ship and let the MCT go. It just wasn't worth the $400 plus technet, plus educational credit costs. Most MCT's that I know have had to go back to Corp jobs to make a living. I guess I'll stick with my 60K/50hr job and deliver pizza on the side

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Microsoft attempts to wring the last dime out of every business line their in and dismiss the longer term interests of the people they deal with. So return the favor and turn toward Linux and open source computing. You'll have fun and make alot of "open" minded friends along the way. This whole "certification" thing has been carried to far, its big bucks and big business to M.S. and Cisco. Its about protecting your turf if you got yours and to heck with everyone else. The opposite of open source computing.If you really want to pursue certification go for the vender neutral certs. Microsoft really P.O. alot of large corporations with their latest round of licensing strong-arming and now their groveling around saying sorry to all their big accounts. To little to late, time to pay the piper. Just my opinion.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I get so sick of listening to people whine about the certification industry. Certs are only worthless IF THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE. If you plan on a career in the computer industry, get used to learning new technologies all of the time. The certification process is merely a guide for those continuing studies. Certification, like experience, is a journey, not a destination.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 MCSD Oregon

Certifications are certainly not a waste of time. I've found SEVERAL positions requiring MCSD certification lately, and since I became certified my salary has increased almost $17,000. The cert should be thought of as evidence that you have done EXTENSIVE research in the field, not that you're a hotshot programmer. Certs for MS may be down just due to the price increase plus the money-tight recession. Also, 500,000 MCSEs being out there could cause a glut, I imagine, and make it that the MCSE cert does indeed only get you the foot in the interview door. MCSD is way different, in that there's only 36,000 at last count. It's probably the only MS Cert where the salary survey is fairly accurate. But by all means JUST buy the books and study... DON'T spend thousands on these courses that guarantee passing. Your ROI will go right out the window.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Steve--MCT OKC

The problem witht the training market is that noone trust the quailty of the training. MCTs no longer have to pass a test to teach the class. whinny people yell for cheaper classes, which forces the CTEC's to use less experianced (less money) MCTs. The market has gotten what it demanded. Cheap classes in quality and price.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 cb washington

As an IT manager with a small firm in DC, if you came in for an interview with certs only, I would not hire you. Certs count because you learn something everytime you pass one, but experience counts even more. I used to think certs were useless until I started studying for them. I have been in the industry for a little over ten years and yes I have paid my dues. I didn't finish my 4.0 track but you can guarantee I will finish my w2k track. Experience is the key, but with that experience you must also have "institutional knowledge". In todays economy a potential employer wants to know if they hire you, what happens when the system goes down. Can you get it back up or will they have to call someone with the experience to get it going again? Let's face it people we are insurance policies. If your house was hit by a tornado, how would you feel if your insurance company said they didn't have the money to fix it after all those premiums you paid?

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 mujibraja dubai

Certification achieved in 2000 has been some expensive toilet paper.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Mark R. Chicago

Let's face it.. there is also just a tougher job market out there too. Besides being a network engineer at a corporation here in the Chicago area, I teach MCSE at a local college a couple of nights a week. Have several guys in class out of work due to layoffs.. These guys are heavy hitters already, but are still having a hard time finding work. One of the problems is that employers are very specific (too specific you might say) about what they are wanting: "2 years of Win2k, 4 years of Netware, 3 years of Unix (Solaris and HP preferrably), and Oh, by the way you need to have experience in Sybase, SQL 6.5/7/2000, Remedy, and HP Openview and it would help if you are a router security guru and an C++ MFC programmer too with XML experience."

Of course, I'm exaggerating here.. but not by much. My point is that in some cases it seems like the only person who has that specific combination of skills is the guy that just left. "Just" an MCSE even with solid experience is not seen as enough. I also think the "experience" thing can be overblown too.. The technology changes too quickly. I recently saw a job ad for a network engineer and they wanted 3 years of Windows 2000 experience! Ok, so you only want a guy who worked with the beta..

Whatever happened to character? Whatever happened to transferable skills? Are we not educable? If I picked up what I have (7 years, MCNE, MCSE, CCNA, MCDBA) can I not pick up what you want and quickly?

It's definitely a buyers market.. In some ways the pull back was needed. Employers have realized (I hope) that technology is not a panacea, and that's a good thing. But the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. I think it will get better, but our days of Changing jobs every three months for a 20% pay boost is a thing of the past.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 BillR AZ

JR-
A little harsh, but right on with the content. I learned THAT lesson the hard way. You HAVE to have experience to go with the certs, or they're just weak conversation-starters.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Stephen Szyszkiewicz Delran, NJ

Well I can say that there zippo benefit for having an MCSD cert. Just search on dice.com for MCSD....34 out of 25,000+. Do a search for fortran....there were 78. Having an MCSD cert is useless

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 JR USA

What is wrong with you people? For those of you that hold a certification, but don't have any experience, what are you thinking?!?! You people can't be that stupid to think just because you spend a lot of money to get a cert, that you are going to be able to take my place in the market! I have several certs, but the main reason I have a job making the kind of money all of you are dreaming (and I do mean dreaming) about, is that I have over 10 years of hands-on experience to back it up! The truth is, you can't do what I and others like me do, just by getting certified! I actually feel sorry for the people who think that, you're pathetic. Wake up, pay your dues like the rest of us had to, and maybe someday, if you don't decide to take some other easy way to fame and fortune, you can make a very good living in IT. Grow up and stop trying to take a shortcut in life. Unless you happen to be a f***ing genius who was born with a mouse hanging out of your rectal COM port, you have to actually do the work that your cert says you can. My bet is that not a one of you can troubleshoot your way out of even the most basic situation. DO IT, DON'T JUST READ ABOUT IT!!

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I have my MCP NT 4.0 and WIN2K MCP
went on interviews and showed my certs the interviewer didn't even comment on that or even buck there eyes, nor did they rush to hire me I have been doing this for 6 years, these certs are a waste of time your true skills counts above everthing, I think Microsoft should get rid of this CERT RAT RACE they make money anyway with there software

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Jeffro Anonymous

Certs are great if you have the experience to go with them, It shows dedication and the ability to learn much like a college degree does. You also WILL inadvertently learn something with most certs. The MCSE, CNE, Cisco and Master ASE certs are for EXPERIENCED IT people only. Companies are tired of people having zero experience and cheating their way through certs. If you don't have the experience with the cert that you probably used brain dumps and it is useless.

Jeffro - EE, MCSE 4, MCSE 2K, CNE, CCNA, MASE, A+

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I have all certifications, and I mean ALL including MCT and the latest MCAD, plus 20 years experience with MS products since the beginning. But when applying for a job with MS, they did not want me. So even they don't consider their own certifications worth anything.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Mike Claremont

Certs are good as long as you have the experience to back them. I think that certs should be used to help IT professionals keep their skills sharp in new technologies. You should not be taking exams with only the hope for more money. If this is your aim, I think that you will end up disappointed.

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 DuhMan Anonymous

Certs are really a waste of money. Real world experience is where it is. Without the real world experience then what good is memorizing a bunch of useless facts that you could have looked-up anyways?

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 Mauro Alfaro South America

I think the MS training department treat us like a bunch of numbers, imagine how hard was to me to get the MCSE for NT4.0 and to upgrade to W2K having our currency in a 4 to 1 relation (1=1 US dollar), so I got it and NO Change at all, too much money spent and I would not make it different. And think of this, first MS says ok this are the req for the Nt 4.0 MCSE, then you will be DEcertified, week later said, ok you will not be but... you will remain with an "archived certification" then... they say ok! W2K and XP will be the same, then .NET comes up. Imagine trying to explain to some IT departement not very close to MS certs. It seems like MS doesn´t make up their mind, one thing I´ve noticed in every MOC course was PLANNING, PLANNING and PLANNING did a SINGLE person on MS Cert deparment put his ass on the chair to come up with a "durable" plan for cert where the experienced pleople get the most!!!, I think there was no planning and as such they change it everything every day, in my opinion MS is NOT SERIOS about it´s cert PLANs. ONE thing is very clear so far, EXPERIENCE makes the difference so why does not MS reflect that in their certification/or in his exams. Besides did anyone get the cert because of THE MICROSOFT BENEFITS of that!? JA!, I think I will get the .NET cert so I can buy a T-shirt that says "I´ve spent U$S 5000 to get this T-shirt, I´m the best. ;-)
I hope this people think a little, no needs of more effort, and make the sudies plans CHEAPER and the exams Very Much HARDER, and PLEASE the MCSE, MCSD should be TREATED as GOLD CERTIFICATIONS there should be a picture of us in a hollogram or something, today you get plenty if you are MCP, and you climb to the top of the mountain and what!!! you get evetually the SAME?????

Fri, Nov 22, 2002 one ppl Anonymous

I think the M$ training and certifications need to come down because now too many people have the M$ certs! The certs only valuable if not so many people get it

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I have my MCSE and have been upgrading it ssince they have had them. Of your just having MCSE w/ not experience will not get you very far, except a foot in the door. But, at east something got in the door. If people think it is not worth the price and someone else should foot the bill, think again. I self studied for all my exams and used OJT. You do not need Instructor led courses to pass. These exams are not just for employers, how many can say that they did not learn anything by studying for the exams???? You had to learn something! So, what is $100 bucks if it saves you time and makes you that much more efficient. Nothing is a free ride. The 70,000 can be achieved, but just having a paper will not do it. But, that paper may the the reason you got the interview to tell them about your TRUE skill in the first place.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 Soumendra Ray Anonymous

Duh! spend on MS certification? Never again. I have had umpteen MS certifications up my sleeve and none has helped :( apart from the hands-on real-world experience.
Certifications "may" take you till the interviews, but to clear them and thereafter, you need real-world exposore.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

MS does not set the prices of the classes, nor claim that all MCSEs will make the big bucks. The training companies are the ones doing these things, and they are not run by Microsoft.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 CT North Carolina

I just finished spending about nine thousand clams on instructor lead training and another 1300 on MS exams for my MCSE and like TJ said no employers care, they just wanna know about my experience. Starting to seem like a waste.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 TJ Austin, TX

I think the MS training should and needs to come WAY down. Soon after obtainng my MCSE for NT 4.0, I got my foot in the door of a company that went out of business during the next year. Then having to go through the threat of loosing that cert due to Win2K, my current company (a major PC OEM) is in the same crunch for expenses. If a major company won't foot the bill, who will? Certainly not me! Besides, everywhere I interviewed in between jobs, no one really cared about my cert at all - they wanted to know my rue abilities. Like the others, I've gone from NT4, to .NET in such a short time, who cares about the cert anymore? I don't make $70k either. So feel alone.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 Jim Nordmeyer Ohio

After earning NT-4 certs (MCSE/MCT) I slaved for a year and a half in the field at 40K/65 hrs/wk. to get some field experience. When I jumped to the next job (I had to hunt) I went to 100K/32 hrs/wk. CAKE!! I was willing to relocate, and turned down a couple of 70-90K slave jobs in the hunt. Luck? No; determination. I'm still doing great even in the down market. Microsoft makes a lot of money, spends a lot of money, gives away a lot of money. I'm not complaining.
It would be nice to see them follow MIT's example and make ALL their educational curriculum available FREE ONLINE. It wouldn't break them, it would benefit their support team (MCSE / MCSD's) and give them great publicity. I don't hear anyone calling MIT commies for breaking the capitalist tradition of making everything including information a marketable commodity.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 Mark Prisaznick Washington D.C./Maryland

I never found my average of the $70K crap M.S. has continued to push. I have been in supporting control systems for 12 years and thought the Cert would help the switch to I.T. I have work with everything from DEC PDP-11/83s and Microvax. To Compaq and Dell Servers.
If you are in the D.C. area and don't have ISSA Poly/Top Secret, you are not going to work in this market. Not Even a Cisco Cert is worth much anymore. So why spend more money on M.S. when their O.S. changes every year and a half now. I am testing .NET RC1 now, but Certification? Not again unless someone else pays the bill!

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Certification achieved in 2000 has been some expensive toilet paper.

Thu, Nov 21, 2002 JJ Anonymous

Small wonder, for the past year only Microsoft has been making a profit at the training market. Extorting huge fees from CTECs and charging outrageous fees for books. Then threatening the CTECs they would loose their certification if they didn't purchase 100 books per quarter...Wonder what the wunderkinds at Microsoft will come up with next...training manuals in suppository form. Oh, I forgot, they already have it's called the virtual university.

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