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EWA Services: Outstanding in Its Field

Like your job? Here's your chance to compare your company with eight of the best—at least in how they treat their Microsoft Certified Professionals.

While some companies cope daily to battle employee complacency, EWA Services doesn’t have to try hard to keep its employees interested in work. EWA’s employees and training program are field-tested in the literal sense.

This Year’s Best Companies!
EWA Services Worldwide training and consulting company
Nominated: Killeen, Texas office; 25 trainers; headquarters in Herndon, Virginia
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EWA, short for Electronic Warfare Associates, is a training and consulting firm with 25 trainers who hold a host of certifications: MCSE, Cisco, Dell, and Lotus Notes and Domino among them. EWA’s trainers do onsite training and consulting for a variety of clients across the U.S., but home for the company is Killeen, Texas, which is next to Fort Hood, the largest military base in the continental U.S.

EWA offers its employees the typical laundry list of benefits and incentives: paid time and costs for certifying, bonuses and public recognition among peers for achieving certifications, access to high-tech equipment, time off for conferences, full health and dental insurance, three weeks of vacation time per year, and a TechNet subscription.

EWA seems typical of most small businesses, so what sets it apart from other companies? According to Jennifer Morgan, one of EWA’s Microsoft Certified Trainers, it’s “the variety of projects that we work on.” Because of the company’s close proximity to Fort Hood, for example, one project involves helping the U.S. Army set up, test, and run its information systems during combat maneuvers.

“When the Army goes to the field,” says Morgan, “so does its network.” She’s been called on a few projects to help set up a bank of NT servers with 10 to 20 domains, running Exchange email and several secure Web sites that are able to provide accurate, real-time information during training exercises in the field. “We work side by side with the soldiers 24 hours a day, seven days a week during the exercises.” The long hours might seem brutal and not a great aspect of any job, but in this case, Morgan finds it fulfilling to be in the field with soldiers who are keeping the systems humming, and to ensure that delicate pieces of machinery can face up to the demands of combat.

As for migrating to Win2K, Morgan says that the Army is looking into it, but “implementing Active Directory has yet to be approved.” Because EWA is a training provider, its MCTs have already been trained on Win2K and have conducted some training for paying students. In case the Army asks, EWA can say that it’s prepared to help the Army make the transition.

Morgan herself was field-tested with plenty of on-the-job experience. She was hired as an automation specialist three years ago, helping to train employees on software usage, phones, and office administration. She proved to be sharp and, with several months of training, earned her MCP, then eventually her MCSE and MCT. “It’s been an interesting three years,” she concludes.

About the Author

Michael Domingo is Editor in Chief of Virtualization Review. He's been an IT writer and editor for so long that he remember typing out news items in WordStar.

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Reader Comments:

Sun, Jun 8, 2003 Art Thailand

Wow, In Thailand is not perfect same US based. Please ..........

Fri, Oct 25, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Post Anonymous but tell me what your making if you are an MCT in Canada.

Mon, Oct 21, 2002 mommy Houston

Just obtained my MPC 6 months ago and I'm making 45,000. But I've been in the IT business 4 years in Houston area.

I would think I was near the top of payscale, these see a bit high to me as well.

Fri, Aug 2, 2002 Rodent Anonymous

I,m in the South West (UK) and earning 120k, no Certification. You can show people what you can do without the certs. I know a lot of Certified people which are completely useless "They went on a cram course got shown the way to pass" Not an ounce of common sense amongst them, so put your own time to good use by getting to know the products you use inside and out (make it a hobby) it works... then if you really think the certs will help get them, but know your products.

Tue, Jul 16, 2002 Anonymous Denmark

Hmmm, in denmark is VERY less :) i am MCP, MCSE with 4 year experience, Just moved to denmark at a new job. getting around 32000$ per year. But thats before tax. Guess whats after?!?!? simply divide by 2 :-) Expensive country *bAh*

Mon, Jul 15, 2002 chaocheng taiwan

pass mcse(nt4.0,2000),mcdba(7.0,2000)
exchange2000,5.5. proxy 2.0, ISA
2 years exp

19100us/year

Sun, Jul 14, 2002 Anonymous Indiana

Once you weed through the erronious data, I observe that the salary ranges appear fairly accurate. I see from a management perspective that these salary ranges apply fairly well to our published corporate pay scale. What individuals must remember is that your salary in most cases is determined by your negotiating skills coming in a company. These rates are not entitlements, but rather just possibilities for those that have the energy to go the extra distance. And if you do possess that energy, you will find these rates are low.

Fri, Jul 12, 2002 Anonymous cuba

guys you don´t know what is being under pay, come to my communist country and you will see.

Wed, Jul 10, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I'm a MCP living and working in Little Rock, AR with about 7 years of experience and my salary has never been above the low 40s.

Wed, Jul 10, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I have a MCSE 4.0NT, CompTia A+ and Network +. I have worked on computer systems for 25 years. The time I spend on Microsoft and CompTia training was a total waste of time. The certifications did nothing for me or my family.

Wed, Jul 3, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I'm hoping my salary increases w/ my completion of my Win2k MCSE. Then it is on to my CCNA, woohoo!!

Tue, Jul 2, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

when i see microsoft tests printed verbatim with the answers on internet braindump sites, it makes sense that certs are becoming worthless. And, it that braindump is still valid after a year, it tells me that Microsoft is too cheap to spend the 10-15K necessary to put together new questions!

Mon, Jul 1, 2002 Amit Agarwal Kathmandu

Salary for MCSE and MCSD in Nepal is very low compare to USA. In Nepal a MCSE gets $2000 per year in US$. Yes this is true, that is atleast 20-25 times less to USA's salary

Mon, Jul 1, 2002 POST 911 NY

WELL WAS CLOSE LIL HIGH WONDER WHOM WAS ASKED FOR THE SURVEY , not me ne way A+, MCSE 4.0, CCNA b4 911 it was bout right post i was lot lower now goin up to @64k (i think your ccna wages are too high ey ill cut you a deal if you get me those wages

Tue, Jun 25, 2002 MCP NT4 and 2000 A+N+ Oregon

NOW I understand who these people are... they all have Master’s Degrees then change occupations and get an MCP! I don’t know anyone in the norm where I live. the cost of living has tripled in the past 5 years but the salaries remain the same. I need to stop reading these lies!!!

Fri, Jun 21, 2002 Crackhead Bob SC

What kind of crack are these people smoking? $59,000 for A+? What is the name of this over-paid fantasy world so I can move there?

Thu, Jun 20, 2002 Heath Mason Kansas City

Salary for 2001 was $36,500 for support desk.

Wed, Jun 19, 2002 GiveMeaBreak NC

There is no way a MCP is going to make $50,000 in NC. That is a crazy number that hardly anyone with just a MCP is going to make.

Mon, Jun 17, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I'm MCSE, MCSD in WIN2K and with 5 years exp and i earn $10K/year only, but here I'm working in China.

Sat, Jun 15, 2002 Nanda Kishore IRELAND

I am not sure if someone takes care of these comments - or is it just for a reading. What I would like to see is a referral to organizations that are paying these salaries - let me give it a shot :)

Fri, Jun 14, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Seems a bit low to me. I wouldn't work for those wages. But then again... I'm good. Damn good!

Thu, Jun 13, 2002 Silversword Singapore

Well..... I think I need to shows this to my boss. With more then 5 years exp I am no way near to what shown in this survey.

Thu, Jun 13, 2002 Anonymous Cleveland

I am and MCSE in W2K and know many like me with years of experience that aren't making what this survey is showing. We obviously aren't working at the correct company. :-)

Tue, Jun 11, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Wow, talking in dollars , I'm from INDIA
and if you convert rupees into dollar an average MCSE earns 5000$ annually here

Tue, Jun 11, 2002 anonymous omaha

I would like info on what an MCSA cert would do for my salary

Fri, Jun 7, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

OK!!!! :X
We are not in that scale!!
Try in Argentina!!!!
$171 to $571

Fri, Jun 7, 2002 Alexander So. California

I have an MCP,MCSE,MCSE NT/2K,MCDBA 2Ksql, A+,CCNA,CCDA,OCP8i/9iDBA,OCP Developer Rel.2,OCP Internet Dev. Rel6/6i,CCA 1.8,SCJP2...studied really hard for this, lots of sacrifices 8-10 hrs study sessions consistently this past year...is this overkill, did i just waste my time learning this trade?...NOPE i love technology no matter how bad the economy and employment out there, i know i can still negotiate what im worth, so everybody, i wish you all luck and good fortune..dont let these salary surverys discourage you new and upcoming IT's "NEVER GIVE UP AND NEVER QUIT" rock on!

Thu, Jun 6, 2002 Anonymous Florida

David Ames I disagree with you and your pay. I live in FL from NY and they use you here because they are no union's. I have my A+, MCP, MCSE and 15 years self taught starting with the apple IIE. I volunteered for the place I work at now for a year 1 day a week for four hours. They finally hired me at 32,000/yr. I work from the county in the circuit courts and get plenty of exp, but no pay. Trying to support 2 kids and a wife. Maybe I'll get rid of the wife and move back to NY. Ha Ha PLEASE HELP

Wed, Jun 5, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

i'm brand new, soon to get my mcp, give me a steady 45,000/year for illinois and i will be happy (temporarily).

Wed, Jun 5, 2002 anonymous Indianapolis

Maybe if we can stop paper certifications and pay based on experience and knowlegde the numbers would be higher for all of us. It burns me up everytime I hear of billy-bob nobody making 75,000 because his company sent him to a bootcamp and he still doesn't know anything.

Tue, Jun 4, 2002 Rick Indiana

An important note I see here is the experience factor. Occasionally, someone will score a huge salary right out of the gates but it takes a few years of experience to build up from a starting salary (depends on area of course) to a decent salary where you can start saving money. I agree with our 200K man that said...a whole lot of people certified still don't know much...they need experience by doing...by putting in some time. I'd be glad to move for an opportunity to learn as a consultant...so if you need an assistant with all those Microsoft certifications and about 10 years experience HANDS ON, please email me.

Fri, May 31, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

any body got good tip for study..or ne meterial for mcse test..

Fri, May 31, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

any body got good top for study.. for mcse tests

Mon, May 20, 2002 Stoogie South Africa

To the baldeagle from perth you think you live down under? Try living in south africa, A person with your experience and certification earns about 150 000 - 180 000 SA Rands per year which equates to about 15 000 - 18 000 US $ per year. So I dont think you got it to bad.

Fri, May 17, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I started off making 28k, and with certs, have gone up to 71k. I can't wait until next year when I graduate with my BS in Information Technology.

Tue, May 14, 2002 David Ames Florida

Last year I earned close to 200k just integrating Microsoft products into the petroleum industry. I find that my hands on skills and late night dudies have shown me that many MCSE's don't know half of what I do. I teach them, I have MCSE's and MCsa's, MCp calling me with questions

Fri, May 10, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I live in the los Angeles area. I have a CCNP, CCDP, and a MCSE Win2k. I make 110,000.00 Of course I also have 13 years of experience. It takes experience and certs to make the money.

Thu, May 9, 2002 David Anonymous

The big thing that bothers me is that when I have an electrical problem with my car and I take it in for repair, I get charged around 75 bucks an hour. Do I care that he/she has a degree in History? Is is relevant? If I was seeking a position as an IT Manager would I still care about a History degree? Maybe if it was the history of IT development. Go to a Doctor or a Dentist and see how many of them are making 27,500 to 38,000. Also, when someone advertises they need someone with 8 years experience with 2000 then they must be looking for someone who was on the initial development team, but they want them to work for 45-60k. And the so called tech recruiters are way overpaid, along with the salespeople. Nothing changes but change itself, the hardest working people still get paid the least.

Wed, May 8, 2002 Anonymous CA

I'm an MCSE, MCP+I, 4 year degree, 3 years of experience and I make 40000 a year. Makes you think does'nt it???

Wed, May 8, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

HELLO EVERYONE

I HAVE QUESTION I JUST BECAME A MCP
CAN YOU GUYS TELL ME HOW I WOULD GET PAID W/O EXPERIENCE? PLEASE, LET ME KNOW IF ANY ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT ..
THANK YOU

Tue, May 7, 2002 Experienced Indiana

I have had some college but no degree. I have been Microsoft Certified since 1998 and currently am an MCP, MCSA, MCSE & MCDBA (MCP-NT & 2000 for the rest). I have approximately 7 years of experience and from this salary evaluation I am well underpaid. My current Salary is less than 50K. Still, when I became an MCP my salary rose from 27,500 to 38,000 in one year. LADIES: This is a great field for you, don't let anyone pull you down or say you can't succeed. I have worked with an equal amount of female and male workers and see no difference in ability. I am a male.

Thu, May 2, 2002 Mike Boston

Regarding the comment by Haddad.

I used to live in New York. If you plan on working and living in New York City, take what you think is a high salary and double it in order to pay for the cost of Living. The location in these stats are very important

Tue, Apr 30, 2002 Anonymous Trinidad&Tobago

With one more exam to go i will be mcse2000,A+,MCDBA with 5yrs experience in networking.The average in trinidad is just about $1000USD!!!!!!If you're lucky.Any relocation offers!?to U.S.

Thu, Apr 25, 2002 Bill Portland Oregon

The numbers are right on for me and my friends.

Sun, Apr 14, 2002 Mitchel Washington State

Hi all. I'm almost sure that i'm going into the Netwroking field. After i graduate high school this summer i'm going to HighTech Institute then getting all the certs i can get my hands on. Are there any warnings or advice you can give me? i'd be greatful.
thank you

Sun, Apr 14, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I live in Northern Virginia. I hold an MCSA, MCSE NT 4.0 MCP +I Network+ A+. I am currently making 83,000/year. I have four years experience. The money is there, but you have to get in the Team Lead/Manager Role.

Fri, Apr 12, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Don't pay too much mind to the surveys. I didn't get my MCSD until 2 years ago and I now have 10 years total experience. I'm finally making what I deserve and feel I am worth (about $95k) as a project lead/developer, but I can honestly say that it is because of my experience and knowledge learned on the job and through my computer science degree. The certification was just something I did to gloss up the resume but I don't take much stock in it.

Fri, Apr 12, 2002 Edgar Switzerland

Does anybody has any figures about the # of MCSE, MCT and sslasries in Europe or Switzeralnd?

Wed, Apr 10, 2002 Eric Montreal ( canada )

Just earn MCP and I'll get the mcsa and the scsa/scna soon, for now I got 27500/canadian, I wish i'll get something beter soon =D

Wed, Apr 10, 2002 NKY Boy Cincinnati area

Hey - what are MCSA's making?

Mon, Apr 8, 2002 Female 28 So. California

My current exprerience is in sales & I was injured at work (w/c...voc rehab) I'm looking to get an MCT/MCSE cert. Can anyone tell me if I'm wasting my time as a woman getting into this field or what, (especially with the salary for <1yr exp. to start)? Please help....and be nice!! Ü

Sun, Apr 7, 2002 William C. FWB, FL

I said Skilling's a punk! Harvard needs to start teaching better ethics, else, they (the business teachers) are also punks!

Sun, Apr 7, 2002 William C. FWB, FL

Skilling's a punk!

Sat, Apr 6, 2002 manuel waco texas

i'm a future newcomer to this field i am currently attending a training for the mcse win 2000 with a + ccna i would like to hear from people with some advice please at manuelb5@hotmail.com

Sat, Apr 6, 2002 manuel waco texas

i'm a future newcomer to this field i am currently attending a training for the mcse win 2000 with a + ccna i would like to hear from people with some advice please

Fri, Apr 5, 2002 Javier Argentina

I have a wide experience, approximately 6 years and 3 years ago that I finishes MCDBA certification my salary belongs to 18000 a year. I am employed as Webmaster, Database administrator and professional of IT at Argentina.
Http: // fjmammone.8k.com

Fri, Apr 5, 2002 Anonymous Dallas, TX

i'm a Win2k MCP with 7 years NT 4.0 experience making $78,000. Experience and amount of responsibility matters. Beware, they'll want time for their money! (55hr/wk)

Thu, Apr 4, 2002 GH San Francisco

I'm happy. The survey keeps things in perspective. I have 15 years in Client/Server, Networking, Windows NT/2000, Netware, IBM AS/400, project management, programming, web services..... blah, blah, blah... and make almost 6 figures. Experience is everything. Gotta pay the dues!

Wed, Apr 3, 2002 Anonymous Atlanta, GA, USA

Consulting (Big 5) is the way to go. I make $80k with MCSE. 100% travel can be a bummer though.

Tue, Apr 2, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

How did they come up with $87/hr for self-employed professionals if they are making $78,900 total? Are they implying they only work 907 hours a year?

Fri, Mar 29, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Please leave links so I can apply for these high paying jobs!!!

:P

Thu, Mar 28, 2002 Anonymous Denver

I live in Denver, for a major telcom. i have a MCSE w/5 yrs expr on NT\Win2k and 3 yrs w/citrix. I make 68k plus 5k for training a yr. I feel underpaid with that. most of my peers make about 80k+

Thu, Mar 28, 2002 Otaku Otakuland

Is this a way to get us all motivated to take Microsoft Certifications??

Tue, Mar 26, 2002 Anonymous Pennsylvania

I worked for Earthlink Tech Support and was severely underpaid at $22,000 a year, i am A+, Network+, I-Net+ and MCP certified.

Wed, Mar 20, 2002 Anonymous Alabama

These numbers seem close. I know quite a number of IT Pros and the years of experience tend to be almost exact with or without certs. One of my best friends isn't MCanything but earns $70K with 10+ years experience.
I'm looking right now with MCSE and MCSA and 15 years IT exp/ 10 years MS NT/2000 exp.... I HOPE I get $79K but will likely wind up around low 70's in this area and in this current economy.

Wed, Mar 20, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Im starting to think it's a waste of time to even bother testing. I know what I know and I don't think the MS certification makes any differance what so ever. Go for a degree, this stuff is just more hype to incress the classes being offered everywhere. The market is getting flooded with people with MS certifications and they are taking what ever they can get, hence the low wages. Don't go with whats here.

Sun, Mar 17, 2002 Anonymous Edmonton, CANADA

I am definitely not making this kind of cash! What kind of money are people with an MCSE making in Canada?? Would anyone be so kind to share? I would like to find out what the norm is to baseline a more accurate comparison for my own salary. I make $32K/yr (CAD) w/3 years exp. I also have a CCNA! And thoughs would be appreciated. Thanks!

Tue, Mar 12, 2002 Dave SC

With MCSE 4, CCNA, I-Net+, 5 yrs experience with NT, 10 yrs in PCs and Software, I am pulling in $76k. Sounds about right.

Wed, Mar 6, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

91 for an mct in cincinnati?! i can't believe this, doing it for ~½ that at a training co for several yrs.

Wed, Mar 6, 2002 Anonymous Boston,Ma

I am, working in the Boston Area, for about five yrs now & making 45k. Just got my MCP last month

Sun, Mar 3, 2002 Eric Austin, TX

MCSE (cert. in NT 3.5, 4.0 & W2K) seven years exp. $68K base w/o bonus. I'm working at large company in the industry (one guess based on location). These survey numbers have always been accurate over the years. I've meet some scary "paper MCSEs" during interviews that didn't know even the simplest things, so I believe that some MCSEs aren't worth what others are.

Sat, Mar 2, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I am a A+,network+,server+,
i-net+,ciw,mcp w2k and only get 27k a year about to get mcsa and live in the US
and my boss tells me I am over paid

Fri, Mar 1, 2002 stop cryin' cleveland

With the way the economy is right now, be happy we all have a career that's payin' the bills. If your company offers education, pays for your certs and sends you to training, this is all added into their so called "average salary". It will all pick up soon and we'll all benefit.

Fri, Mar 1, 2002 spikestik rochester ny

What really pisses me off is people like you. No experience...you goto Boot Camp get your cert and make all this money and then you have the nerve to post it like you are some gift to the industry. Try earning it the real way and then come back and talk to us.

Fri, Mar 1, 2002 Anonymous Philadelphia

It depends on the industry you work in as well. Just went from consulting at huge Pharmaceutical company for $75k to running everything at a small financial investment company $100k plus bonus and retirement....btw, that was without any NT experience, CNE w/ 3 years experience but new job is a MS shop. They also sent me to boot camp to get my MCSE. The high paying jobs are out there, just have to look really hard.

Wed, Feb 27, 2002 slyfox Germany

In Europe I would have to say that the pay is bad in comparison to the States. Canada is also bad as they follow the standards of Europe than that of the US when paying employees. What does the average look like with 3 to 4 Certifications??

Sat, Feb 16, 2002 DallasAdmin Dallas

Salary is commensurate (sp?) with several factors, the least of which is certification. I'm paid $65K, I have just almost 7 years exp., and I was just certified (MCP) on 2KPro. Classed on 2K Server and Net.Infra., but no test yet.
You set your own levels and your value. Your career in technology should pay well in a proper market, assuming your skill set and experience are a match for the job you want. Certs are simply a benefit. After the NT4 MCSE debacle here in Dallas (companies hiring straight off of Certifications and not experience) , many companies relaized that experience played a bigger role in competence than certification. Certs helped, but many in-experienced MCSE's were dropped into harrowing circumstances and made boneheaded decisions that damaged the "cert alone" credibility. Have faith and activly work on your career. Add value to yourself and make yourself worh the money. Properly pitched, companies will see your value, and pay will come.

Fri, Feb 15, 2002 Truck Driver Conn

I'm a truck driver and make $55,000.00 a year with no certificates... HAHAHA

Fri, Feb 15, 2002 Anonymous upstate NY

5 yrs exp. with NT/Novell making $68,000 as an Engineer. No certs.

Thu, Feb 14, 2002 anon-Mouse Birmingham, AL

I am at $69,900, MCP with 12 years experience.

Thu, Feb 14, 2002 Jim (soon to be mcp) Scotland

I like the survey , very interesting reading. Now how do I get a work permit/residence, to access these salaries. Job offers/Answers please to my e-mail. PS I just got a masters in IT

Thu, Feb 14, 2002 RHH New Jersey

I'm right on the chart for my experience, it all depends on who you work for and then depth of your work. I do a little of everything so my potential for growth is excellent. I changed careers 2 years ago and allmost doubled my salary. so its all good!

Wed, Feb 13, 2002 Frank New Jersey - 5min from Philly

I have been following this guide since 1998 and have watched my salery get closer to the numbers listed here. This is my first year where I am actually making more than the numbers listed and I have not changed companies. I started in 1998 at $49K with no experience, an MCSE in NT 4.0, and a BS in Electricial Engineering. Here it is 4 years later and I am making $66K and the only test I have passed in the last 4 years is Win2K Pro. I live in NJ but work in PA so I am going by the PA figures. Keep the numbers coming...

Wed, Feb 13, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Man Are you sure this is the right numbers? I am not get even close after 3 Certification. Is there any employer out there who wants to pay the money that above posted for MCSD and OCP Developer?

Tue, Feb 12, 2002 Greg Atlanta

This is all Bull to get you to pay for more certifications and promote the microsoft programs and products, I am A CCNA,MCSE, CCA and these salaries only exist on PAPER

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 Chow Guangzhou, China

i'm MCSE+MCDBA and i'm in Guangzhou, China. i got RMB$70k/year(less than US$10k/year), what do you think?

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 Anonymous Cleveland

MCSE (NT 4.0) making $50,000 a year after 2 years experience.

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 Alex San Jose

Does anyone realize that these numbers are related to professionals that 1) work for a specific company for 5+ years or 2) had the luck to sign a temp contract for a specific project.
The other thing is, why they don't mention the prices on rent, food, etc on each region.

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I don't know what to make of all of this......I'm an MCSE (NT4 & 2K), CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP, SCSA, SCNA, A+, NETWORK+ and I am SO VERY MUCH IN THE DESKTOP SUPPORT CATEGORY...with a TWO YEAR DEGREE!!

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 RFD Denver

I see much wailing and tearing of hair, but folks, remember this. In any profession the biggest complaint from those in the field is that they aren't paid well enough. When they leave a company, and there is an exit interview, money is rarely the reason given for leaving. My point is there are a lot of intangibles with any job. If you like where you work, that counts for something. Sure, it'd be grand to be at the top of the salary heap. Still, I prefer to make a little less and be happier doing it.

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 Anonymous spain

Oh, my! I'm not certified, but I have five years experience, I'm the Support Responsable (and previously Web developer and Webmaster) in a medium company and i'm earning 21000 us$ per year. My dream is to earn 37000 per year, as Civil Engineers... I'm so envied and sad... ;-)

Mon, Feb 11, 2002 Roy Sweden

Well..
Theese are dream numbers --.or?
I am a MCSD since 2 years, and have been working with VB and C++ the last 5 years - I am earning 42000 Us$ /year (Working for one of the biggest Companies in the IT Sector) ... If it wasn't so bloody difficult to get greencard to US i would move immediately..

Fri, Feb 8, 2002 Doug Germany

Good info to think on. 12 years USAF, A+, Network+ and MCP. Still not sure what to expect when I return to US.

Thu, Feb 7, 2002 Lee Torrance, CA

The main problem with these surveys is that, although they're interesting, salary is not just related to what certifications you have and how many years you've been doing network management, programming, or whatever. College degrees also count. So does other experience related to your specific business but not to certifications. Also, the size of the company you work for has an effect. In my case, I always have a problem with the job category question because you have to select 1 option and 5 or 6 typically apply to my job since I'm involved in nearly everything that touches a computer or the corporate network at my company (from desktop support to security to router and firewall control). Unfortunately, there are so many possible variations that affect people's salaries that it's impossible to do more than give an average and a range for the more popular categories.

Wed, Feb 6, 2002 Taz PA

I am sooooo overpaid....$102,000 for an UG from West Chester University with 2 mnths exp.

Wed, Feb 6, 2002 Slingblade Central NY

I have A+ and have studied much in microsoft and novell. No certs though. I recently re-negotiated myself to 60k.

Mon, Feb 4, 2002 scott chicago

I can't help but think this salary survey is just a ploy to encourage more people to enter the market and lower IT salaries even more. I have 2 years exp. MCSE in NT/2000 and make $30,000. I'd quit but there's no jobs out there right now!!

Mon, Feb 4, 2002 Joe Your mom's house

Man this b1tch is good.....!

Mon, Feb 4, 2002 ST Orlando

The numbers for Orlando are right on target. As far as the value of certifications, I have noticed that the MCSE's and MCSD's always have an easier time getting the right pay for the right job. I believe with the right expierence, anybody can get what a certified chump makes. Its all about your ability to sell yourself. The DOT net market is getting ready to take off. Beter jump on bored now.

Sat, Feb 2, 2002 MJ CALIFORNIA

This looks nice too bad its not reality.
I have my MCP with several years exp (at home and consulting) and I am making far far less then what it says.
I am stuck in psych. Just to pay my bills.

Fri, Feb 1, 2002 Jeff D Yorkshire UK

A UK comparrison would be nice. MCSE's with 2 -3 yrs exp fetch around £25,000 ($35,000).

Fri, Feb 1, 2002 Anonymous Philadelphia

I guess I should not complain about my 2001 pay raise of 2% when I am making $97K. I have a MCSD and working towards MCSE/MCT

Thu, Jan 31, 2002 Tripleshot Utah

Why is it this survey cannot provide demographics for Nevada or Utah in salary compensation levels? Now I must use some gov't standard and they lowball everything to try and attract a cheap labor force.

Grrrrr.!>:-(

Wed, Jan 30, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

does anyone know about the payments in UK for an mcse+mcsd for a new starter no experience? please reply to burakayarci@hotmail.com

Mon, Jan 28, 2002 Anonymous Honolulu, HI

I have a BS in Computer Information Systems and my MCP with 6 months experience. I get paid only $30,000 per year and I work like a dog.

Sun, Jan 27, 2002 TM Moving to Orlando, FL

Looking to hear from some folks from the Orlando, FL area. I'm Leaving the Air Force (march 02) after 20 years as aircraft maintenance manager. i'm turning to the it field as a career. i have 8 years ms access database, vba experience; 16 years general computer/ computer networking experience (novell and ms). I spent 2 years managing an air force it department and I'm working on my mcdba (sql 2k) and should be done within a few months. I do not have practical SQL Server experience, but do have a great deal of database design and SQL experience. What can I honestly expect to get as a starting salary as a jr. DBA? I'm guessing about 40-50K. Thanks in advance for any insight to the DBA job prospects in the Orlando area.

Sun, Jan 27, 2002 viresh dehradun (india)

this is very best site for who doing or did the microsoft certification but still there are so many mcp's & mcse unemployed get the job & first experience either there is no salary at first when he/she is in the training period (after certification)

Thu, Jan 24, 2002 jobless singapore

hey .. when i have a job in singapore, i am just pay abt USD$25k per year. and i have almost 4 yrs of experience. and i have ccna, scsa, ccsa and mcse nt4! maybe i will move to states ya? any job anyone?

Thu, Jan 24, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

I have the following certs: MCSE W2K, MCSE NT 4, MCP+I NT4, CCNA, A+, Network+. And after 3 years, I only make $50,000

Wed, Jan 23, 2002 Jahpeth.A Nigeria Africa

Having gone through the salary survey,I will say I,m enlightened as in having a broad understanding.I kind of learnt I have nothing to comment on really.

Wed, Jan 23, 2002 Anonymous Louisville, KY

I am an MCSD,MCDBA & MCT. I primarily do development work and I make 60 per hour which works out to about 120,000 per year. I have to pay for my own benefits but i dont mind. The secret to higher paying jobs is negotiation skills. I let them offer money first and never tell what i was paid at the last job. Also.... never accept the first offer.

Sat, Jan 19, 2002 eyup Istanbul/Turkey

Hi all; although I can't comment on the salary levels in U.S.; I think the salaries mentioned by people from France-Nederlands-Finland,..etc are not so good as i supposed compared with the ones in Turkey. At least me and my -B.S. Eng- schoolmates' (after about 5 years experience...) salaries are in US$30K-40K range. Plus, prices for goods an d services in Istanbul are drastically cheaper as compared with Germany,France, or Austria as i experienced during some of my yearly holidays.

Fri, Jan 18, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

If you have no experience and just relying on "training" or certification, than your salary will be a big fat 0.00K. Nothing is still nothing

Wed, Jan 16, 2002 Anonymous Miami, Fl

I'm just getting started in this field, as a matter of fact i'm in training right ow. I'm wondering what kind of salaries i'm looking forward too.

Wed, Jan 16, 2002 anonymous#2 ny

like the survey i now feel very very lucky to have the job i have!( i don't want to jinks it but i top the salary range) but i better keep upgrading .net is next for me!

Wed, Jan 16, 2002 Anonymous Anonymous

Come to finland, we have the highest prizes and the lowest salarys. 5 years experience NT4/W2K MCSE $30/y and boss thinks i'm overpaid???

Mon, Jan 14, 2002 Anonymous Houston, Tx.

Houston is great. I'm getting 50,000 with no certifications. I'm planning on attending a MCSE boot camp next week and anticipate my salary to go up by 25,000 within the next year

Thu, Jan 10, 2002 Vaughn Little Rock

I think these numbers a little bloated also. In Little Rock, there are 7 (at last count) MCSE schools who each claim to have thousands of students. If these schools actually graduated all these students, Little Rock will not be able to support that many MCSE's. When a new IT person finds out I"m in the field, I immediately get 'I've had my MCSE for several months now and haven't found anything'. To answer a previous question about starting salaries. My first IT job as an 'intern' was $9/hr.

Wed, Jan 9, 2002 Anonymous Milwaukee

I am looking into obtaining my MCSE, A+, CCNA, and also possibly the CIW Master Designer Certifications. I have no direct experience in the field. I have a degree in Economics, and have been out of college for about 2 years. I'm just curious to get an idea from people already in the field, what I could expect for a starting salary with the assumption that I would probaby need to start in a Help Desk position to gain experience. Let me know.. Thanks!

Fri, Jan 4, 2002 c milwaukee

I currently hold mcp and A+ certs with 3+ years exp in the field. I currently make $32.5K. I started low with no experience and have slowly crept up the pay scale. The certs have not effected my pay. I think that BS is the only to make bank. Promise employers the world and they will rub your feet, but watch out for those that make promises to you... Image=$$$

Fri, Jan 4, 2002 Anonymous NETHERLANDS

You are underpaid. We earn about half of what u get. grrrr about 25.000$ for a systemadmin. At this moment all is collapsed.

Thu, Jan 3, 2002 John Orlando, FL

i am a mcse 4.0 with over 2 1/2 years of experience and make almost $50K. I wish I could find that cush job that makes close to $60K in Orlando. I even have 2 BS degrees. This survey is overly bloated with contract workers making more than exempt workers.

Mon, Dec 31, 2001 paul ruyle atlanta

To anonymous in tailand and other folks wanting advice. As far as how to break into the industry or get experience, I can share with you a few sucess stories. First of all, you will likely have to take an entry level position at first, and take a pay cut in most cirsumstances if you are already a few years beyond high school. I took a 37% cut to exit the satelite service industry to get into IT and it has paid off well, but only after several years paying my dues. How to break in: take a job at a commercial retailer in the service dept if you want some good hardware experience. One of my current techs worked for circuit city for several months on a part time basis and became very good with hardware; and got that valuable experience. Another way is to volunteer to assist with low tech but vital assignments in your companies IT dept when there are big projects going on like relocations or wide scale software deployments. Getting your name and face recognized by those that do the hiring in IT for any compny is a great strategy; as well as networking with people you take technical classes with. I hire people every year, but in the last three classes I have taken only one person asked if my company had openings, whihch we did, and he got a job. One note on interviews, nothing turns me off quicker when I hire than someone focused solely on money. I suggest you leave that for the second interview or at least the very end of the interview. I always hire enthusiam and positive attitudes much quicker than an over agressive money seeker.
Good luck to everyone, and if you stick with it I can guarantee you will become a success, just not overnight!

Mon, Dec 31, 2001 paul ruyle atlanta

I find this survey to be accurate for the atlanta area; I am continually trying to get a friend, Arthur Z. to wake up and get certified, but he continues to rely on other advice people are giving him, despite me sending him this survey each year!

Fri, Dec 28, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I wish I made that kind of money. Many drug sales would help on the side?

Thu, Dec 27, 2001 Reza Toronto

Just I would like to say : You did a great Job . Happy new year and the best wishes in the NEW YEAR .

Sat, Dec 22, 2001 Rob Minnesota

I'm a MCSE 4.0 with almost a years experiance making $40,000 a year.

Thu, Dec 20, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Im so underpaid its not funny *No laughing!!* :(

Fri, Dec 14, 2001 Jason W Minneapolis, MN

Don't be fooled by these numbers, they are averages, and most of the surveyed people are the ones who WANT to put their salary down. I agree with some areas, like the West Coast. They are notorious for larger salaries. I would not pay attention to worth, only what you can get.

Fri, Dec 14, 2001 Anonymous New York

The survey is in line with what most of my peers in the computing industry make. However, for newcomers and those that look at strictly numbers, I belive that you are doing yourselves a great disservice. There are other values that cannot be measured by time and education alone. Components such as attitude, drive, and job satisfaction. The money will follow those that have these values in their job regardless of certification. The certification is just your foot in the door, and in the case of consultation firms, a way they (the firm) show the customers that they have qualified people to conduct a project.

Fri, Dec 14, 2001 CBW Indianapolis

If the salaries listed above are correct, the 10 MCSE's I know (from various parts of the country in major metro areas) are WAY UNDERPAID. This includes myself. I'm a little pissed.

Sun, Dec 9, 2001 Mike G Boston

I don't know how these people are getting these salaries. My company isn't very pro - Microsoft so my MCSD didn't help as much as I hoped. MCSEs, on the other hand, are treated like gods. I guess it depends on the politics and dynamics of your company.

I just finished a DevelopMentor Java class. I am going to go for Sun JAVA certification next. I might go for MCSD again when they update it to .NET. But if may salary is good enough I won't. I am getting a little sick of studying for certifications!

Sun, Dec 9, 2001 SS San Fernando Valley

To TMiller from NM; I have posted more information on 9/19/2001 on page 4 currently of the postings herein should you be interested. In relation to your posting, I can vouch for my manager. I am 33 yrs old, he is 24 yrs old. He knows I make 45k yr and I know he makes 50k yr. We are both "EXEMPT" employees. He is X Air Force with no certifications, but he has 4 years NT, Hardware Procurement and more experience. I think we are both underpaid especially since we are "exempt" employees, but I also think these salary surveys are incorrect and should be substantiated before printed. get this, before this 24 yr old boss, my previous boss was 20 yrs old and making a contractural hourly wage of $45.00 hr. he is a wizard and i could have learned a lot more from him, but he moved onto a Cisco Telephony IP position making $55.00 hr. i think your fair at 40-50k to start, but not until mid 2002 should you expect an abundant of opportunities. At least here on the West Coast, opportunities are minimal at this point. I have sought work for 2 solid months, have had 5 separate job offers, but they were less pay than my current job, which confirms my conclusion that these surveys are not an accurate indicator of the real world. these offers were prsented knowingly of my current salary. they were a slap in the face in my opinion and i expressed that to all of them, which i know could hurt my reputation. presently, its an employers market, and if they dont get me, they get someone else for 35-40k a year "exempt". best solution, take your experience, couple it with Higher end Certifications and within 1-2 years, you should be between 50-75k year. by then the market will revert to an employee market and you'll be set to rock and roll. same here, taking this time to gain experience, as i have a+, mcp, mcp+i, mcse nt4, ccna, and recently, mct and mcse 2000 core. going for mcdba and mcsd certs within 6-12 months. the more you know and can prove, the better off you will be when its our market. in 1-2 years, i plan on moving up the ranks. these salaries may have come from companies like boeing, compaq, pac bell, kaiser permanente or other larger organizations that can pay these supposed salaries in the survey, but in the smaller businesses-real world, at this time, dont expect big bucks. best of luck. SS

Sat, Dec 8, 2001 TMiller NM; moving to Orlando

Currently in the Air Force (21 years) as an aircraft maintenance manager. Once released (within 3-6 months), I'm turning to the IT field as a career. I have 7 Years MS Access database, VB/VBA experience; 15 years general computer/ computer networking experience (NT and MS). Spent 2 years managing an Air Force IT department. Working on my MCDBA (2 down, 2 to go). Honestly not real sure how much stock to place in these surveys; these seem to be somewhat high. I'm hoping to take 40-50K for my first IT job. Is reality higher, lower or is this about right?

Thu, Dec 6, 2001 Rob San Luis Obispo, CA

I am a Network admin with 2 years expierence and am only making 35k. I hate these surveys...I see were I want to be NOW but have to pay my dues abd get out of this place and into a job that actually pays $$ and is into some newer tech. ;^(

Wed, Dec 5, 2001 Anonymous Wilmington DE

I have my MCP + I, and my MCSE. I had these certifications for 3 years. And my company still pays me below what a MCP of with 1 year of experience makes. It is a shame, they say they conducted their own survey and said I was at the top of the scale. If I didn’t like my client so much, I would leave.

Sat, Dec 1, 2001 Anonymous West Coast

I think that these surveys are wonderful in terms of salary negotiation. I have used figures from this sight to negotiate my current salary at an even $57,000/ year w/ one year of exp. as MCP NT 4.0

Sat, Dec 1, 2001 sam florida

i'm a future newcomer to this game. currently making $40k in automobile service industry, but also put in 60+ hours for that. looking to make a career change. I hope that what a couple of you are saying is true about putting in the long hours & going beyond what the job requires of you, because i'm doing that now. i would like to hear more of your opinions of the current job market & what they are paying on the entry levels in the us, also looking to travel, not really concerned about being in any paticular city or state. going for msce win2k cert. should be done by early summer. please let me know @ savagesss@webtv.net

Thu, Nov 29, 2001 Bill Detroit

Interesting article. I live in a suburb of detroit. I make more than the state average of 49K but am still not up to the Detroit average of 63,5 - 64,1 for my MCP+I and MCSE. Most of my friends are not up to those levels. I wonder who they interviewed. I am looking at a new job soon so this came at the right time for me to negotiate a decent raise.

Tue, Nov 27, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Maybe this survey was taken during the Y2K hype. Figures seem high to me. MCP w/3Yrs EXP - North of ATL GA - 40K

Tue, Nov 27, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Maybe this survey was taken during the Y2K hype. Figres seem high to me. MCP w/3Yrs EXP - North of ATL GA - 40K

Wed, Nov 21, 2001 steve P Orlando

Salary here is currently 59,000 base + bonuses and other perks w/four years exp. Not bad, but could be better for us all.....damn it!

Tue, Nov 20, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

this is really a big gap with my country. Here, IT prof is really under paid. :-( Unbelieveble. How could it be? Can I go to US country to get some job especially as DBA?

Mon, Nov 19, 2001 Hanif Tanzania

dont be shocked but i am in this lousy east african country where i get paid $6K per year! yes thats SIX THOUSAND USD!
i am an NT 4 MCSE with 2yrs of xperience. i wrk as an IT Manager & E-comm coordinator. yeah and btw i work for one of the worlds largest shipping companies. u guys over there are plain lucky. i wud be a happy man earning even half of what you do.

Wed, Nov 14, 2001 Clark San Diego, CA

I have to say that I don't see these figures in my area for Help Desk, etc., but this research is like gold. Who ever told you in college that you get this degree and you can make this much. How many degrees can you get in 6 months to make this kind of income. I am gung ho for my MCSE+I 2000 Cert.

Fri, Nov 9, 2001 Fernando Austin

shit! I am moving to the east coast as fast as possible! Double MCP, finishing MCSE and degree, 7 years of experience, and I'm still making $16 an hour. Give me a break!

Thu, Nov 8, 2001 Bill Cleveland

high school graduate w/ 3 yrs college but no degree. I have 3 years experience w/ NT 4.0 on 200 user WAN, no certs. $43K

Wed, Nov 7, 2001 Anonymous Allentown, PA

I'm an MCSE/NT with about 4 years experience, making about 67,000/yr with a pretty good benefits package. On the whole, I think I'm about where the survey says I should be.

Tue, Nov 6, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Mid-60's is right where I belong.

Tue, Nov 6, 2001 maine maine

I am a MCSE+I, CCNA,CCDA and A+. I have about 5 yr exp. I make 63,000. Still below the survey but I can live with that. 2 years ago I was making 31,000. It took 3 job changes (increases to 40, 55 and 63) but that did the trick. I think that people are going to pay you what you think you are worth. The key is that if you are not happy do not be afraid to move on.

Sat, Nov 3, 2001 Nik Florida

I have no certs, but have possibly taught many of you out there... I have worked for three of the largest CBT training providers in the world, teaching mainly programming, such as the MCSD. I have also taught 100's of people for the A+, MCSE, and some of the more popular certs. In reality, Certs don't make a person. I WILL NOT get certified, as my experience, as well as reputation, provide the value. Being a hardware technician, network engineer, web developer, and a programmer, I have not limited myself to just one field in the IT industry. I STRONGLY SUGGEST STUDYING EVERYTHING! You will NOT be sorry.

Sat, Nov 3, 2001 Pouv Oklahoma City

I am lead engineer at a great network consulting firm. I have 11 years of hands on and a CCNA cert. I get paid $32.50 per hour for hours I bill out only. I am averaging 170-180 hours per month. But it's a catch 22 when things are slow typically Holliday season I don't get paid much but I have more time with my family. I also have all the benefits I could dream of. CCIE is mine by Jan 15th which will double my salary.

Mon, Oct 29, 2001 Chee Wee Singapore

God! Looks like I'm the most underpaid! I'm a MCSE 2000, and I'm working as a Software Engineer. Paid only $3600!

Mon, Oct 29, 2001 ade africa

Very impressive reading the survey, but very depressing reading the comments. The Question is Why the disparity?
Just new to this IT stuff (after close to 20years in manufacturing management experience). Have passed all the NT core courses before February. Just concluded the Win 2000MCSE, Now reading this, I am confused. Do I stay on my primary field?? But I find this (IT) exciting. Somebody help.

Wed, Oct 24, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

i agree i am mcp and i do not make even close to that

Mon, Oct 22, 2001 Anonymous Singapore

Salary for MCSE's in Singapore are only S$3K a month even if you have 5 years of experience, some company give you S$4K to S$5K a month but the job will not last long and you have plenty of stupid colleagues to teach. I envy those certified with Cisco specially those CCIE's, mostly they just do pre-sales but are earning minimum of S$7K a month some of them could not even solve a BGP peering problem for many months, some of the big network problem could be solve by MCSE with CCNA certificate who's only earning S$3K a month. Even those certified with Checkpoint (CCSA, CCSE), they could not solve the NAT problem for many months but the problem can be solve by a person who is not certified in any industry and only have 2 years of experience with 6 months Checkpoint FireWall experience.

Mon, Oct 22, 2001 smf cali

I like what stephen said. "get in the door" and gain your experience by working long hours or going above the call of duty. And yes learn from mentors.
These days it seems alot of newbies act like they know it all. What I tell them is if you know it all then there is nothing I can teach or show you. I too worked with the z80s , 8x300 , 8080 and now
p4s.
I have an associate degree in electronics, bscs, mcse and 20+ yrs experience. Because
I have deep knowledge of hardware circuitry and software I fine it fairly easy to grasp "new technogy" . I really like to know how are the people making the big big bucks above the 120K or more. I am probably under the average. I will admit that if you get with a company that supports the certifications you might get a better salary. With my previous company management didn't understand what IT was all about so I had a sub-par salary for years. I go on with another company that really supported certifications so I went out and took all the mcse tests in less than 2 months.
my salary did increase. I had to sell myself tho. once I got the cert. - ok get back to work ..

Fri, Oct 19, 2001 Stephen Dallas

Buck up folks, I'm an MCSE with four years of 'certified' experience making an above 'average' salary. However, I worked seventeen years on projects involving ‘cheaper-net’, later to be known as Ethernet, and mini-computers. Before that I had six years in the US military. The first PC’s that I worked on were the Sinclair (who remembers those?) and custom built Z80 based machines running C/PM. Certifications only let an employer know that you MAY be dedicated to the field. Experience, experience and more experience and then skills in both technology AND management are what get you paid the upper pay scales. Face it, if you stay only in the technology field you will wind up 40 years old working for a 25 year old that makes twice your salary. Use your certification to get in the door, gain your experience by working long hard hours (I have done 40 hours straight, slept for 8, then hit it again for 36 hours) and going the extra mile by learning from your mentors and peers. Don’t whine because some marketers over sold the notion that certification is the Golden Fleece. Attitude, work ethic, experience and professionalism will take you further than any certification! Now get to work and quit browsing the web!

Fri, Oct 19, 2001 Marcel Netherlands

Too bad there isn't an international survey anymore (MCSD from the Netherlands). I read that some people form other countries are complaining that salaries overthere are lower... You can't compare US-salaries with your own! Every country has other tax-laws, social security, etc. For example, I have almost 40 days of vacation a year, vacation-money (8% of salary in NL). I hope the international survey will be back soon...

Wed, Oct 17, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

truely staggering

Tue, Oct 16, 2001 Jeff S.F. Bay Area

While I see there are slight differences between Sacramento (my home town) and S.F. Bay Area, I think you have Sacramento very over-rated on salary. Time to re-adjust again.

Mon, Oct 15, 2001 SEP California

I have MCP and A+ with 2 years of experience and only make 30K per year but feel lucky to just have a job right now with all of the layoffs going on around me. I will have MCSE in Win2k by 1st Qtr of 2002 and am thinking about the MCSA as well. But I think that the key to get a good salary is in part being at the right place at the right time, being able to sell yourself as "God's gift", and displaying a knowlege of more than just Microsoft products. The company that I work for uses products from all of the major vendors (Sun, Novell, Microsoft, IBM, etc..) It is important to have that mutli-platform knowledge as the job matket gets tighter.

Sun, Oct 14, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Wow... Good day to all, MCSE w2k here...

If it is true statistics then ppl in the developing countries are really...really underpaid although it really costs a fortune to obtain the cert.

Fri, Oct 12, 2001 DB Arkansas

22-year-old MCSE (NT4) in Arkansas, 2-years experience. On the virge of $47K salary, but no indirect income.

Fri, Oct 12, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I am thinking of getting into this buisness. I am a newcomer. Is this survey full of crap or what? Can anyone let me know?

Thu, Oct 11, 2001 Giancarlo Italy

I have 10 yrs of experience, and I earn $55.000 per yr. Italian professionals are really underpaid. Security is the key !

Thu, Oct 11, 2001 shawn Anonymous

I know what you guys mean. I'm almost a 2000 MCSE, and I am not even at the bottom of the pay scale for an MCP, in California.

Tue, Oct 9, 2001 DubMan Dublin Ireland

I don't agree that these surveys are correct at all. I am MCP+I MCT MCSE NT/2000 CNE CNI CNA etc. I have 6 yrs experience and earn £36500... many of my peers are on less, very few are above.. What are we doing wrong?

Fri, Oct 5, 2001 Developer IN NEW YORK CITY

I have 5+ years experience in VB,ASP,SQL,Javascript,COM etc... I make $72,000 and change plus I have stock options. This is just to give you an idea of what someone in a big city is getting. It's all what you ask for. If I wasn't working for an Internet company, I would demand more in the $80-85,000 range here.

Mon, Oct 1, 2001 Arm NC

I am not even mcse yet and I have gotten a job offer starting out at 46k yr. but not sure if I am going to take it. I think I could do better as a contractor, what do you guys thing??

Mon, Oct 1, 2001 anon South Africa

How about $15000-00 a year for an MCSE with 3 years experience and probably longer hours as well.
The really well paid guys earn an average of $34000-00. Makes you think doesn't it

Fri, Sep 28, 2001 michele Anonymous

beginning research...so what is the best cert to go for?

Fri, Sep 28, 2001 Zoltan Kovacs Hungary

Hi! I'm an MCSE+I, MCSD, MCDBA, MCP+SB and MCT in Hungary and I make $15k. I was certifed in 1996 as an MCSE, and I've 10 years experience.
I can only dream of making $80000. This survey worth me nothing but makes me feel disappointed...

Thu, Sep 27, 2001 Anonymous Thailand

God... I'm now MCSE. But I've just got salary at 15000฿ around 333$ per mon. They didn't accept me coz, they say that you have no experience in company. I don't know why? Can any one tell me how to get that experience?

Thu, Sep 27, 2001 Jason Kansas City

I have worked in Seattle and Kansas City both and made 80K with benefits with no certification and no college. 3-5 years experience. They will pay you what you believe you are worth.

Wed, Sep 26, 2001 rick ct

Looks like I should say I'm not certified and only went to high school..

Tue, Sep 25, 2001 abang cleveland OH

i have an engineering degree with MCSE 2k. I will be happy if they pay me 40k/yr.

Mon, Sep 24, 2001 Giulio Brasil

I'm MCSD in progrees and my salary here is bad, i'm trying to work in Canada or Australia. Here, we haven't oportunity.

Wed, Sep 19, 2001 SS San Fernando Valley, CA.

I do not believe these salaries are accurate or true. I have 8 years of computer experience, am A+, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE and CCNA Certified, and my legitimate pay just north of the Los Angeles area is $45,000 a year at an Exempt rate.

No over time pay whatsoever, and I am required to travel to Western Regional offices for several days at times and work overtime for special projects in evenings and weekends.

Maybe MCPMag should require a fax or copies of W2 forms before they advertise these potential "padded" salaries, rather than take ones information for the truth???

Sure, I see Dice, Monster, JustTechJobs, HotJobs, LAInsider, FlipDog, CareerBuilder, AmericasJobBank, EmploymentWizard and other Websites advertise opportunities for $50k-$80k for Network Administrators, but 95% are only Recruiting/Staffing agencies that never respond or propose interviews on any level whatsoever. Good luck with the Websites.

This is accurate and trustworthy data for the San Fernando Valley, CA. area, for those who are interested.

Mon, Sep 17, 2001 D-Flex Sweden

Hi guys! My condoleances for the terrible tragedy in NY!!!
Talking salary... I have 5 down and 2 more to go before becoming a 2000 MCSE, and I have 4 yrs of experience. For the moment I got $25,000 and after reading this I plan to go overseas...

Mon, Sep 10, 2001 "TheMan" LosAngeles, CA

I make $45,000. I am NOT Microsoft Certified, in fact, no certs at all... I have 15 years experience. I hope a MCSE2000 will help me get the big bucks... Not according to this survey... Mayby I should have gone CCIE

Mon, Sep 10, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

salary's look great..to bad getting them are not cut and dry. also where are those managers that know the value of their IT staff. I have yet to meet them. nyc.

Sat, Sep 8, 2001 anatoly France

Hey, heads up, guys. I'm Russian and work in France. Just achieved MCP VB. Frenchies pay less than 25K$/year brut for <25 y.o. And this is good salary in France. So, you are much lucky.

Thu, Sep 6, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

How about some info indicating the salaries and employment of brand new mcps (say, those who have earned an MCSE or MCSD within the last 3-6 months)

Thu, Sep 6, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Are these Canadian Rates? If not is there somewhere you can go to view Canadian Salary?

Thu, Sep 6, 2001 Anonymous Minnesota

Where is this survey? I never get any. I hold CCNA, ESE and my BSCS. I have been unemployed for 6months!! Looking everyday, working with recruiters and headhunters too, no luck! how does my salary of $0 change this? I would be happy making any of these "averages" and thats just what they are. you have to remember they come from all walks of life and different costs of living too..

Wed, Sep 5, 2001 Arm Anonymous

I am a mcp going for an mcse and ccna and i hear alot of you talking about how much less money you are making. I hope this is not going to be the case for me, but the one thing i have seemed to understand is that you have to sell your self to the company, make them think you are the best thing to ever happen to them, and then ask for what you think is right. ( then you might get half of it)

Tue, Sep 4, 2001 MCP W2K Redmond, Wa

THis is pretty right on. I am a MCP working as a Contractor for MS. I make about $57,000 per year. I also have A+ (worthless), HP, & Dell certs.

Sat, Sep 1, 2001 Philip Austin

The salary numbers for Austin are misrepresented. I and my technical peers do not make more than $40000 in the Austin area. Places like Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston all pay more than Austin for identical work. Also, Austin's cost of living is much higher than that of Dallas or Houston. Dell was my employer, and they paid higher in Tennessee for the same job position.

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

OK, Why are 2 year degrees paid less than just High School grads, and why are MCPs paid less than No Certification!!!???

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Do you guys think the economic "slow-down" affects the average salary for someone with 5+ years experience (MCSE+I) who is temporarily unemployed but will be starting a job very soon? In any case, we need this economy to pick up *quick*...

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 Kevin Wood S.E US - travel

OK Hate me. I am one of the curve breakers. MCSE (NT/2000) DBA - above the averages for each of these salary wise / years of experience etc. so the $ are out there. (PS Company paid (pays) to move me)

Thu, Aug 30, 2001 G SATx

I'm making more than what is said here. But, there is missing information. I also manage the Help Desk, all the PC Techs, Switches & Routers (LAN/WAN), Frame Relay, total security (right down to the locks on doors and access cards). Not to mention, I have to help the AS/400 people when they can't figure out a problem with their LAN setup.

Tue, Aug 28, 2001 NZ MCSE New Zealand

I'm MCSE in NT and 2 years exp and I earn $45k /year, but most IT places recon this is the tops for my exp and quals. Working for non-IT org's as IT personel seems to pay more here. I work for an IT out sourcing company and have friends with the same qual's working for insurance and law firms earning $55k +. Looking at moving to a non IT comapny, but work as IT personel in non IT org's seem to be quite rare. :(

Tue, Aug 28, 2001 DC Maryland

I think that I am in the ball part, I am currently MCSD and earing $80K, I will soon become MCDBA and SCJP and I expect to have a pay increase after I get these certification!

Tue, Aug 28, 2001 UsrAbUsr Germany

Where are the international survey results hidden?? I know I have seen them before....

Sat, Aug 25, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

my salary was below average until I became a contractor. If you start low in the salary range you will say low. My salary is correct for my age group but still just a touch low for my experience.

Sat, Aug 25, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

We as professionals need to demand more! It seems I've been lucky. I am currently being paid $75K as a network admin in the northeastern US. Of course I'd like more. This is my second position I've landed in this pay range. I have about 3 years experience with NT. I think the bachelor degree helps. What about college degrees? Is that the norm here? WE HAVE VERY IMPORTANT POSITIONS! LETS PULL TOGETHER AND DEMAND MORE!

Fri, Aug 10, 2001 Anonymous philadelphia, pa

I'm a MCP from Philadelphia and I make $46,200, with 2 years exp. Those salary Surveys seem so bloated? I'm 1 test away from my MCSE 2000. I doubt that I'll get $65k+ because of a cert

Fri, Aug 10, 2001 Argentinian MCSE Anonymous

Be happy!!!
In Argentina a MCSE Salary is around 25K with 3 years of experience?? How is it in another countries????

Fri, Aug 10, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

How come I never get to salary Survey Q?A.

Thu, Aug 9, 2001 Anonymous Salt Lake City, UT

An 'AVERAGE' MCSE salary in Salt Lake City is $53,800? I wonder who they surveyed for this. I make $36K/yr and my company thinks I'm where I'm supposed to be. I have MCP, MCSE, A+, CCNA and a 2-yr degree in Computer Science. I would love to be 'AVERAGE'!

Wed, Aug 8, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

How do being a CPA [or other financial professional certification] with an MCSD compare on compensation?

Tue, Aug 7, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

The MW avg might be lower, but there are MANY companies around the med to large size MW cities that pay quite a bit above what this survey reflects.

Tue, Aug 7, 2001 Scott Des Moines

I'm an MCSD and SCJP2 with 3 years experience making $55,000/year. The midwest is notoriously low. Is Phoenix really that high?

Mon, Aug 6, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

I work in Phoenix, Az and I'm a mcp making 45,000 after 5 years experence.

Mon, Aug 6, 2001 Mike P Fargo, ND

I read in the magazine article that there would be a salary breakdown by state, but I don't see it online. AmI blind?

Mon, Aug 6, 2001 knutern Berlin Germany

Well, Germany is isn't bad, but not this good either. Although, I am improving: When I started 6 years ago, my salary was $27,000/year. It has almost doubled since then.

Sun, Aug 5, 2001 h haddad

If this what a MCT makes in New York I will be moving soon, you barely can make a living with it in Canada. You made my day!

Sun, Aug 5, 2001 Baldeagle Perth Aust

I feel the above wages are a little high. In Perth the average is around 45,000pa for MCSE Nt4/2000 3 years exp. That is Aus $ which eqates to 22,500US. Which really hurts living down under.

Sat, Aug 4, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Try working in Canada, we are still at the bottom of the pay scale. I am a MCSE (NT4.0 & 2000) CNE, CCA, A+ and still make desktop support wages after 3 years of experience......

Fri, Aug 3, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

Your not alone.....wonder where these people work and if the salary is really what is on this survey or are they trying to use this to up there own salary????hhmm

Fri, Aug 3, 2001 Anonymous Anonymous

GOD I'm SOOOOO Under paid!!!

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